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The truth about Tua...

Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:52 am
Posted by DinosaursAreReal
Member since Nov 2018
1387 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:52 am
This is going to hurt some of my fellow bama fan’s feelings, but I’ve been saying this for weeks. Georgia exposed two weaknesses that could be the downfall of Tua if he doesn’t improve this offseason.

1. Tua cannot handle pressure, especially from the outside edge.

2. Tua tries to be a hero and instead hurts the offense in big games. This is why #1 is true. He tries to make something happen when nothing is there.

3. Tua’s pre-snap reads determine where he goes with the ball. If the defense audibles before the snap, or shows a fake coverage then he is average.

There’s a lot more to it detail wise than just those simple statements, but that’s the meat of his three huge flaws as a QB.

This being said he has all the tools and will still likely be a top QB selected in the draft, but he’s not the number 1 pick right now after Monday night. There’s no way.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 9:04 am
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
49187 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:54 am to
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2. Tua tries to be a hero and instead hurts the offense in big games.


Don't know about #1 but this is legit. I said that to folks after watching the Natty. He seems like he TRIES to put the game on his shoulders just to be a hero
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
2720 Arse Whipping Avenue
Member since Dec 2013
35936 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:57 am to
Tentua is extremely average against good defenses. LSU, Mississippi State, Georgia, Clemson. Comparing his numbers from other games to those games, it is laughable.

He lit up every bad team. But when his WRs couldn’t just run away from the DBs, he was average. And saying average might be an understatement. shite would probably be a more accurate term.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16663 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:57 am to
He also makes hs mind up where he is going with the football before the snap. He might be pretty good at looking off a safety, but I don't think he's ever really going through reads but it looks like he is because of looking off the db's before he goes to his predetermined receivers. If he really went through reads, he had check down receivers and backs wide open Monday night and hardly ever got to them
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17716 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:59 am to
#1 can be said of almost every QB. The key here is to neutralize this with quick passes and screens.

#2 is completely accurate. He tries to do too much.
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22387 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:01 am to
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Georgia exposed two weaknesses


Not sure about this. Obviously he looked like crap in that game, but he was also playing on one ankle.

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2. Tua tries to be a hero


This is true. It came easy for him early in the season and as the defenses got tougher (and his injuries piled up), he didn't adapt. This is something I'm sure he'll improve on, it's easy to forget that this was his first season as a starter at the college level.
Posted by chitiger91
Lake Bluff IL
Member since Apr 2016
3120 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:02 am to
I’m sorry but I could throw for 300 and 2 TDs behind bamas O line using their skill players vs. Charleston northwest South Carolina tech.

Pineapple was super average against any defense with a pulse, his numbers bloated by playing only cupcakes in non conference and the SEC only having a couple of good teams.
Posted by BuzzSaw 12
The Dark Side Of The Moon
Member since Dec 2010
5321 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:11 am to
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3. Tua’s pre-snap reads determine where he goes with the ball. If the defense audibles before the snap, or shows a fake coverage then he is average.


Bingo. Combine that with a little pressure off the edge now and then and he's gonna struggle. In fairness to Tua he's only a sophomore and disguising coverage and calling defensive audibles late in the count is tough for most young QB's to deal with.

His natural progression and maturity as a QB should make him better at dealing with this stuff as a junior but if not it will definitely hurt his NFL stock. I think he'll grow from the Clemson game and be even better next year. Alabama is not going anywhere. They will probably be playing Clemson for the National Championship once again this time next year.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
16128 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:14 am to
With the running game actually looking great, why did Bama insists on 40 yard passes every fourth play?

The underneath stuff was there off boots and waggles. Clemson has a better plan and executed very well.

Bulova makes it where the coach feels like they have to have a TD. How in the world is there not a man on that campus who can make extra points 99% and FG inside of 35 yards at 90%? Is there not some rich kid soccer player who is willing to walkon?

Posted by Jack Daniel
In the bottle
Member since Feb 2013
25707 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:16 am to
Tua started believing all the media hype and looks for the homerun pass every play.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
43141 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:16 am to
Tua is a great player/passer, but I agree that sometimes he is guilty of going for the big play instead of going to his check downs and of sometimes deciding where he is going with the ball before the snap.

Luckily, these are correctable things, and I am sure Enos will do a lot of work with him on it before next season.
Posted by tmjones2
TX
Member since Feb 2013
1511 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:32 am to
It's amazing how quickly some of you completely melt down when even the slightest thing goes wrong. Think about how small of a sample of failure you're talking about here. And in one of those games (Georgia), he was clearly hurt nearly the entire game (just go back and watch, the could barely move).

Believe it or not, everyone on earth has a bad game. If there was one game were Peyton Manning had trouble with pressure it doesn't mean that he "cannot handle pressure" anymore.

Jesus pull yourself together
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6297 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:33 am to
#1 is false. He handles pressure extremely well. He climbs the pocket better than anyone I've seen in college. The rush doesn't seem to bother him at all he just steps up. If anything he holds the ball to long waiting for the big play to develop. He escapes pressure well also. The scramble drill pass to Juedy was probably his best throw all night.


2. Absolutely he does try way too hard to make something out of nothing. For whatever reason he hates the check down. I watched an interview with him and Jonathan Vilma and he said he is coached to go for the home run. I think Enos will fix that.

3.Pre-snap reads determine where any QB goes with the ball 85% of the time. You only go through the reads when the number 1 option is not open. Great QBs get fooled. Hell even Peyton Manning was able to be fooled. Again Enos will fix this.

He has only started 15 games. He will make a huge leap this off-season without having to be in a fake QB competition. He will get all the first team reps and Enos won't have to worry so much about improving Jalen.

All of the Wrs will be back and Leatherwood will slide out to tackle and the O-LINE will be as good or better.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59019 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:36 am to
I really like Tua and think he is a good, solid QB, thta given time and development will be a great QB. Georgia was fortunate to catch him with a bad ankle.

I hope he does well in the future....at least until we play him again.
Posted by self_service
Member since Oct 2016
623 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:43 am to
Tua does not understand his role in the game. That's one of the things that separates the greats like Brady and Brees. The term "game manager" tends to be looked down upon, but great QBs understand what needs to be done.
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38431 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:47 am to
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3. Tua’s pre-snap reads determine where he goes with the ball. If the defense audibles before the snap, or shows a fake coverage then he is average.


I heard Kiffin on Dan Patrick yesterday say that he would take Lawrence over Tua for the NFL but Tua was built for College. I believe that idea reinforces #3.

With that said, I believe most good college QBs fall into this category so that's not a knock on him. I think most good college QBs are 1-2 reads.
Posted by LouisvilleKat
Member since Oct 2016
18292 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:49 am to
quote:

Tua tries to be a hero and instead hurts the offense in big games.


As a Bears fan we used to call this the Grossman Effect

Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:53 am to
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This is going to hurt some of my fellow bama fan’s feelings


If the truth hurts, perhaps personal change is in order. No one should be hurt over that assessment; there's a lot of truth to it.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51872 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:05 am to
quote:

2. Tua tries to be a hero and instead hurts the offense in big game


Very true. He goes for the home run every play instead of going to his check down.
Posted by thirdlawson
Nashville
Member since Oct 2011
8636 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:27 pm to
I told you all at the beginning of the season, he's throwing to his first read every play. He just looks the other way to throw the safety off.

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