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If they don’t believe he’s that person, they should make a change, buyout be damned, and give the next coach everything he needs to win....................
Greene, I believe, is a savvy guy. His focus in all sports is on winning. He understands the importance of football both to his bottom line and to the psyche of Auburn people. But the extent of his power to influence this decision is limited, and it’s not certain how well Leath understands those things.
Leath made an Ill-advised decision last year to give Malzahn a gigantic contract based on one good season. He misread the landscape badly. Someone who knew better should have stopped him, but that didn’t happen. Now he has a huge mess on his hands.
Word is that Leath wants desperately to avoid making a change. That’s well and good if the reason is he truly believes Malzahn is the man to take Auburn where it needs to go. If his reason is to save face because of a bad decision, that’s not so well and good.
These are difficult times for a president not even two years on the job. Difficult times require difficult decisions made for the right reasons.
If they don’t believe he’s that person, they should make a change, buyout be damned, and give the next coach everything he needs to win....................
Greene, I believe, is a savvy guy. His focus in all sports is on winning. He understands the importance of football both to his bottom line and to the psyche of Auburn people. But the extent of his power to influence this decision is limited, and it’s not certain how well Leath understands those things.
Leath made an Ill-advised decision last year to give Malzahn a gigantic contract based on one good season. He misread the landscape badly. Someone who knew better should have stopped him, but that didn’t happen. Now he has a huge mess on his hands.
Word is that Leath wants desperately to avoid making a change. That’s well and good if the reason is he truly believes Malzahn is the man to take Auburn where it needs to go. If his reason is to save face because of a bad decision, that’s not so well and good.
These are difficult times for a president not even two years on the job. Difficult times require difficult decisions made for the right reasons.
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 4:04 pm to allin2010
All of you wanted people outside the AU community. Now deal with their inexperience.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 11/12/18 at 4:40 pm to AUCE05
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All of you wanted people outside the AU community. Now deal with their experiance.
He and others fricked up with the contract. There is no excuse for that.
That being said, I'll take outside people all day.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 4:42 pm to AUCE05
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All of you wanted people outside the AU community. Now deal with their experiance.
Are you trying to make the argument that this is because we hired an outside of the community President? That an inside the community president wouldn't have made this deal?
Posted on 11/12/18 at 5:05 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
I am saying someone from outside our community failed to actually understand how important football is to our culture. In doing so, it could set us back a decade.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:16 pm to allin2010
It’s crazy to me that Leath wants to hold onto Gus to save face and isn’t thinking about what is right and best long term.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:17 pm to AUCE05
$49,000,000.00
does not compute
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failed to actually understand how important football is
does not compute
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:26 pm to HailToTheChiz
Let’s not act like Auburn Man™ Jay Jacobs wouldn’t have given Malzahn the moon contract after last season. I’ll take outside guys any day.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:39 pm to Marines4Auburn
There is no clear answer to what is right long term.
Gus is a good coach with a very good staff. Garner, Steele, and Lindsey are excellent coaches. Grimes is a very good coach, just not a great recruiter. Burns is an ok receivers coach and excellent recruiter (which is what you need in a wr coach). Horton is a good recruiting coordinator.
We fire Gus, we almost certainly hire a mid tier HC choice for about 3.5M and get a middle of the road staff.
We have some issues with a monster program in state and a monster to be next door. And the criteria for a new coach is beat one of both of those monsters regularly or get fired in 2-3 years. Gus is 4-8 against those two and on a very hot seat. I could easily see 0-6 or 0-8 vs those two with a new staff. 0-4 would be very very likely.
So, I dont see a clear path. We are in the toughest spot we have been in since Pat Dye walked in the door.
I dont have strong feelings either way between fire or keep Gus. I very highly doubt we fire him this year and I guess ultimately I only support firing him if we have someone in mind that is clearly an upgrade that we feel will do better than 33% against bama and uga.
Gus is a good coach with a very good staff. Garner, Steele, and Lindsey are excellent coaches. Grimes is a very good coach, just not a great recruiter. Burns is an ok receivers coach and excellent recruiter (which is what you need in a wr coach). Horton is a good recruiting coordinator.
We fire Gus, we almost certainly hire a mid tier HC choice for about 3.5M and get a middle of the road staff.
We have some issues with a monster program in state and a monster to be next door. And the criteria for a new coach is beat one of both of those monsters regularly or get fired in 2-3 years. Gus is 4-8 against those two and on a very hot seat. I could easily see 0-6 or 0-8 vs those two with a new staff. 0-4 would be very very likely.
So, I dont see a clear path. We are in the toughest spot we have been in since Pat Dye walked in the door.
I dont have strong feelings either way between fire or keep Gus. I very highly doubt we fire him this year and I guess ultimately I only support firing him if we have someone in mind that is clearly an upgrade that we feel will do better than 33% against bama and uga.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:47 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Gus is a good coach
No he’s not.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:52 pm to bawbarn
He USED to be a good coach. His weaknesses have been building and haven't been corrected so they now outweigh his strengths. He can't seem to figure it out because he is fighting the man in the mirror, aka EGO.
Too bad there are two halves of a ballgame because in the FIRST HALF, I would take Gus over most coaches. Once his pre scripted play sheet runs dry though, he usually has no answers.
Too bad there are two halves of a ballgame because in the FIRST HALF, I would take Gus over most coaches. Once his pre scripted play sheet runs dry though, he usually has no answers.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:01 pm to bawbarn
Well, we have a different opinion and I suspect Gus will win wherever he goes after AU.
For reference Gus has a 67% (60% SEC games) winning percentage in college. Tubs was 61% (68% at AU, 62% SEC games). Pat Dye was 71% (64% SEC). That is a pretty tight range between the 3.
I think Dye was a far superior coach and most of his losses came in his first and last 2 years which come with a lot of caveats (year 1 he inherited a pure shite program, the last two years he was sick as shite, nearly died and was have to deal with the Ramsey shite threatening to tear down all he had built).
I think Tubs and Gus are at about the same level coach wise and it is simply a very difficult decision without a clear answer with Gus now. With Tubs it was more clear because our recruiting had fallen. Off a cliff.
For reference Gus has a 67% (60% SEC games) winning percentage in college. Tubs was 61% (68% at AU, 62% SEC games). Pat Dye was 71% (64% SEC). That is a pretty tight range between the 3.
I think Dye was a far superior coach and most of his losses came in his first and last 2 years which come with a lot of caveats (year 1 he inherited a pure shite program, the last two years he was sick as shite, nearly died and was have to deal with the Ramsey shite threatening to tear down all he had built).
I think Tubs and Gus are at about the same level coach wise and it is simply a very difficult decision without a clear answer with Gus now. With Tubs it was more clear because our recruiting had fallen. Off a cliff.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:02 pm to allin2010
Leath didn't make this decision on his own. Sounds like a few BOT members trying to pass the blame.Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:10 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
I would definitely put Gus and Tubs in the same tier and even throw Richt or Les Miles in there. The picture will be much more clear the longer he coaches. I just hope that it isn't at Auburn.
Once the energy is gone, like it is now, it is time. Same with the coaches I mentioned above. It was time. ALL good coaches but they couldn't get the energy and mojo back. It was time for new ideas and fresh energy and passion.
ALL of our coaches start strong and fade. Still trying to figure it out but it has gone on a very long time.
Once the energy is gone, like it is now, it is time. Same with the coaches I mentioned above. It was time. ALL good coaches but they couldn't get the energy and mojo back. It was time for new ideas and fresh energy and passion.
ALL of our coaches start strong and fade. Still trying to figure it out but it has gone on a very long time.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:44 pm to Rhino5
quote:Not officially that is for sure. Remember SACS does not like BOT running athletics (Bobby Lowder). They basically were told they had to approve.
. Sounds like a few BOT members trying to pass the blame
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:13 pm to allin2010
I agree if Leath and Greene are trying to delay firing Gus just so they dont look bad "then that is a pretty chicken shite attitude from both of them"
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:19 pm to allin2010
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Not officially that is for sure. Remember SACS does not like BOT running athletics (Bobby Lowder). They basically were told they had to approve.
Either the board members provided some oversight on a terrible contract, or Auburn allowed a first year academic president to give a football coach $49 million-- as if it's his own money. Either way, it's a bad system for handling such a large sum of money. And it's happening without any checks & balances.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:32 pm to Rhino5
You are spot on.
No possible way Leath did this on his own. Truth be known, it’s SOME of the Board members that signed off and gave the go ahead that don’t want to show face. I think THIS is what the articles are pointing to. Either way, it’s all a mess now and everything is fractured. Question IS: Who will STEP UP and LEAD instead of just trotting Greene out with the ole vote of confidence. Cowards.
No possible way Leath did this on his own. Truth be known, it’s SOME of the Board members that signed off and gave the go ahead that don’t want to show face. I think THIS is what the articles are pointing to. Either way, it’s all a mess now and everything is fractured. Question IS: Who will STEP UP and LEAD instead of just trotting Greene out with the ole vote of confidence. Cowards.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:44 pm to allin2010
Let's be realistic. Until Saban retires, it's going to be a tough road. Recruiting and wins are challenging against him, Georgia, LSU and an occasional outlier program. Who the hell is going to win consistently against that? I dont think Gustav is the guy but honestly I dont know who would do much better against our schedule and recruiting competition. I dont think blowing up the staff and the recruiting class is the answer.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:49 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:How can you even say that with a straight face.
Gus is a good coach with a very good staff.
quote:Have you seen our offense this year? Seriously, how can you believe this drivel
Lindsey are excellent coaches
quote:Well, it seems he cant coach non talented players up and cant recruit highly talented players. thats a bad coach to have on staff
Grimes is a very good coach, just not a great recruiter
quote:Still waiting for that stud RB commit
Horton is a good recruiting coordinator.
quote:Probably more like an up and coming OC or DC or pull a HC from a smaller school like Purdue or Utah St.
We fire Gus, we almost certainly hire a mid tier HC choice
quote:Didnt seem to bother us much last year
We have some issues with a monster program in state and a monster to be next door
quote:And you see us winning with Gus in the next 3 to 4 years against either team?
Gus is 4-8 against those two and on a very hot seat. I could easily see 0-6 or 0-8 vs those two with a new staff. 0-4 would be very very likely.
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