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re: How about this Auburn controversy
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:13 am to Goldtide1
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:13 am to Goldtide1
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The whole culture at auburn is what I’m referencing. The “we put our focus on god first” therefore our program is morally superior to yours. (Virtue signaling).
Got to love rival fanbases...
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It was a comment made in jest, but you all would be fine if you didn’t hold an organized prayer session pre-game.
3. Again, obviously, I realize auburn isn’t the only team that does this. Those other teams make me roll my eyes as well. Auburn is the topic of this thread, therefore they were the target.
I find it funny that bama fans always shite talk about Auburn team prayer and religion in the football program...
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Chizik referenced it being a “god thing” when you won the national championship. I guess god just wanted all those other teams to lose that year.
Sounds like you have a problem with religion
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but to make it the foundation of your athletic program is a little bizarre. Name another SEC school that does this?
Are you saying the foundation of AU's football program is religion?
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Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:13 am to KSGamecock
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I apologize on behalf of my state. We're a weird place. We have people like this...and then we also have the John Birch Society. We can't make our minds up.
All states have people like this. We have police and government organizations that are supposed to take care of the law and enforce it, yet there is always a group of people who think their views are correct and everybody must adhere to their way of thinking.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:16 am to Teague
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I haven't read the specifics of FFRF's complaint, but I'm going to bet if they get the info they're requesting, then push the issue, it's because they do have a case. They know the laws.
Are you saying they have never lost a case? I mean, I honestly do not know that much about them, but I doubt just because they decide to push an issue that they are right. That's why they have trials.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:17 am to DawgsLife
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And being good is ambiguous and subjective.
There are those people in the world that thought Adolf Hitler was good.
Killing millions of your neighbors is quite literally the opposite of loving your neighbor.Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:18 am to pvilleguru
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Killing millions of your neighbors is quite literally the opposite of loving your neighbor.
And no atheists have ever killed their neighbors?
Dude. Come on.
I mean people of all walks of life do horrible things. Christians. Non Christians. Muslims.
Frankly, Christianity...true Christianity is not a religion, so much as a relationship with God. Religion is something you can join and leave, etc. A true relationship with God is pretty much forever.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:21 am to DawgsLife
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And no atheists have ever killed their neighbors?
Dude. Come on.
Where are you getting this shite from?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:25 am to pvilleguru
The most violent, repressive, murderous regimes of the past 150 years have been the very same ones who have trumpeted "freedom from religion" the loudest. It's almost as if religion has some basic, vital role to play in human societies, but we don't want to see it because religion tells us we shouldn't be so self-absorbed and hedonistic.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:26 am to pvilleguru
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Where are you getting this shite from?
I was misreading your post. I thought you were referencing the Crusades, and after I hit the send button realized you were talking about Hitler. My apologies.
It doesn't change that some people thought Hitler was a good person. people who thought just like he did. And that is my whole point. Who decides who is good and who is bad. Everybody would have different views and opinions.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:26 am to DawgsLife
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Frankly, Christianity...true Christianity is not a religion
Yes, it is. It is the exact definition of a religion.
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so much as a relationship with God.
It's a nice phrase, but it's still a religion.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:26 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Freedom for religion and freedom from religion are two completely different and diametrically opposed things.
I've never heard of freedom "for" religion, but assuming you meant "of", then no, they're not.
Freedom of religion means you can believe whatever you want as far as religion is concerned. I believe in science. And as far as my religious beliefs, I think it's all bunk. The founding fathers said that was ok with them.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:27 am to DawgsLife
Okay. I have stuff to do, so I have to go. I enjoyed debating with you guys, and I am glad it was able to be kept civil without calling people names, etc. You guys have fun. Maybe I will check in later.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:29 am to jimdog
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How ever being a friend of Pat Dye's I can tell you this. A big part of the religious atmosphere and activity around the AU football program has to do with recruiting. Simply because black people in the south, especially black women who control most of the families are extremely religious. And they want to send their son to play football to a place where religion comes first. And the coaches and admins at AU understand that perhaps better than any other D1 football school.
Get them saved, laid, and paid.
AU fhamblee.....
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:29 am to DawgsLife
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Who decides who is good and who is bad. Everybody would have different views and opinions.
Not really. The vast majority of what people think is good about the christian religion is believed to be good in every other culture. Christians didn't invent "don't kill each other." It's the morals of society that dictate your actions - what's good for us social apes. If that weren't true, you'd be out there stoning your wife to death for not being a virgin on your wedding night.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:34 am to Teague
I'm not talking about your personal opinions and beliefs. I'm talking about the social/government standpoint on religion, which is what this entire debate is supposed to be about. You are free to make any particular choice regarding religion that you choose. You are not free to use that choice to impinge on the freedom of others to make, and express, their own choices.
And yes, if you want to play semantics, freedom "of" religion and freedom "for" religion are interchangeable. Freedom "from" religion is not.
And yes, if you want to play semantics, freedom "of" religion and freedom "for" religion are interchangeable. Freedom "from" religion is not.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:36 am to 14&Counting
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Get them saved, laid, and paid.
AU fhamblee.....
Let’s not pretend that this is a bad family.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:39 am to AshLSU
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The government can’t favor or push the agenda of one religion over another.
Tell that to the Muslims who were exempted from the rules of Obamacare.
In other words, bullshite dude
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:44 am to TheTideMustRoll
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You are not free to use that choice to impinge on the freedom of others to make, and express, their own choices.
It is not your freedom to have school sanctioned officials to lead a prayer at a public school.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:46 am to GlossuRabban
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So, I can assume you agree that Auburn is overstepping the boundaries?
Yes. And I have personal experience with it as an athlete at Auburn that I have shared in the past on the board.
Not gonna go back and dig through your post history.
How were you adversely affected?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:50 am to Teague
It is their freedom to pray if they so choose, since the prayer is not mandated by the state, nor is anyone forced to participate beyond respecting that person's beliefs. When the government requires even one single person to pray, come and find me then and I'll march on Washington with you. When an elected official is merely making a public demonstration of his faith to a group of mostly likeminded people and asks that you do nothing more than respect his, and their, right to do so, you probably need to find something more constructive to be angry about.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:54 am to TheTideMustRoll
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It is their freedom to pray if they so choose
Yep, but it's when an official of the state becomes involved that it begins to violate the constitution. An authority figure, endorsing a religion is a violation.
Christians should be the first to want to uphold this. It's what will allow you to continue to be a christian even if other religions or atheism becomes the norm.
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