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re: Remember when Bama used to play Big Boy Football?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:16 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:16 pm to UpToPar
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You realize I wasn't the first one to use the plays per game stat in this thread, right?
If you have a problem with the plays per game stats as it relates to up tempo offenses, take it up with George.
I didn't bring that up at all.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:18 pm to UpToPar
quote:PPG gives a rough idea of the tempo teams use in their offensive scheme. It's not, nor was it ever intended, to be an end-all-be-all breakdown of how a team utilizes the HUNH. You're intentionally misrepresenting George's post.
If you have a problem with the plays per game stats as it relates to up tempo offenses, take it up with George.
It's used when the offense finds something that's working to prevent defensive substitutions (hint: that's the sticking point) and slowed down when it stops working until the offense reads another chunk play or series of plays that will work.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:20 pm to UpToPar
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but Bama has sold out on big boy football and decided to run a gimmick offense.
Bama didn't sell out on it, the SEC didn't sell out on it. The NCAA and the rest of the country changed the rules of the game creating a big disadvantage for teams playing Big Boy football. They basically destroyed the way we like to watch and play the game, and now the game is shite.
So what Bama, Georgia and most all other teams are doing now is adjusting to show the rest of the nation what happens when the SEC 'catches up' to the weak and boring play style of football based on soccer player health.
The game is all about playing as fast as possible now, taking advantage of the rules to punish the defensive as much as possible. Whereas the goal was to hold the offense to less than 10 points.. now it's to keep them under 50.
I'm kind of glad that we are now seeing Alabama catch up to this style of play.. when we get into the playoffs and see them score 50 to 100.. maybe then people we stop and wonder if Saban has a point.. is this really what we want football to become?
At the current rate, we will probably start seeing 100+ points scored as the norm in the next couple years.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:23 pm to cyde
The reason people called it gimmicky was that one of it's core tenants was to prevent substitutions and blur the line on OL down field. Throw in all the speed sweeps and trick plays and walla.
Agree or disagree with that, whatever. But those were plain as day the backbone of the "gimmicky high school offense" cracks.
And once again, our run offense has zero to do with that. So the origins of this thread still make no sense
Agree or disagree with that, whatever. But those were plain as day the backbone of the "gimmicky high school offense" cracks.
And once again, our run offense has zero to do with that. So the origins of this thread still make no sense
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Honestly, I think Hellmet nailed it in the post above. A lot of the new rules obviate the old school, hard-hitting style of play.
And once again, our run offense has zero to do with that. So the origins of this thread still make no sense
If you don't take care to tackle into the fricking sternum... well, they end up putting up billboards about you.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:27 pm to UpToPar
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This thread is about a once proud program resorting to a gimmicky high school offense...the same type of offense they criticized Auburn for for years.
You don’t know much about football, do ya sweetie?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:34 pm to UpToPar
Hey subpar....watch that score board light up...
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The reason people called it gimmicky was that one of it's core tenants was to prevent substitutions and blur the line on OL down field.
You can accomplish the same thing by simply not huddling. Are you suggesting Bama doesn’t incorporate the no huddle?
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Throw in all the speed sweeps and trick plays and walla.
And the RPOs, and the read option. All of a sudden we are straying from just the up tempo aspect.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:42 pm to UpToPar
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You can accomplish the same thing by simply not huddling.
....Which is what Auburn and many other teams do.
The hurry up aspect of the offense isn't incorporated on every play. It is generally used after a 10+ yard gain to seize momentum and keep the defense on their heels. They keep up the tempo until the defense stops them for a minimal gain. The tempo then slows until another big play occurs.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:42 pm to UpToPar
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Are you suggesting Bama doesn’t incorporate the no huddle?
We very rarely go no huddle. We change personnel quite frequently.
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And the RPOs, and the read option. All of a sudden we are straying from just the up tempo aspect.
You seem set on which part of the original Gus system was called "gimmicky". I told you what it was (and that I didn't agree with it, frankly).
Again, for the 347th time, our offense does not resemble the 2010/2013 Auburn offenses in almost any way. We don't run read option, our pass tree concepts are about 60 times as complex, we don't use a fullback and we don't use hurry up. Literally the only comparative aspect is that we have an aspect of RPO in our game, though it differs quite a bit from the Auburn version.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The reason people called it gimmicky was that one of it's core tenants was to prevent substitutions and blur the line on OL down field. Throw in all the speed sweeps and trick plays and walla.
That was basically the Gus trick and they have adjusted the rules to help prevent that a bit.. when the offensive subs anybody they force them to wait until the defensive subs.
The bigger problem is the collection of rules that have changed over the past decade. The RPO is now the biggest issue and it's even becoming a issue in the NFL. What makes it successful is that they are allowing linemen to block downfield like it's a run. The defense basically cannot read the offense which means most of the time, they are on their heals.
Couple that with all the rules changes around not being able to touch the QB, can't hit the WRs etc.. it's turned into flag football.
I would even propose that QBs aren't really football players anymore. They don't ever really need to worry about getting hit, they just hand the ball off and throw it. Maybe once or twice a game somebody will touch them, but don't touch them high or that's a flag.
That is where the game is driving to, and don't get me started on kick offs. The kick off is now the most worthless event in the game. I always get a laugh when we call the hogs on kick off, or Georgia does their dog thing.. doesn't mean shite anymore because 90% of the time it's a touch back.
What's even more funny is that Arkansas' special teams are so bad that we fair catch it if it doesn't go into the end zone... lol, what a joke.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:43 pm to cyde
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Honestly, I think Hellmet nailed it in the post above. A lot of the new rules obviate the old school, hard-hitting style of play.
So, you agree that Bama has strayed (or started to stray) from big boy football?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:44 pm to cyde
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"I would convert to Islam join isis and blow up buses of little kids before wishing anything good for bama." -TutHillTiger
The fuk.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:45 pm to UpToPar
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So, you agree that Bama has strayed (or started to stray) from big boy football?
Is your version of Big Boy football Mike Shula and the jumbo package?
If so, then yes. As has roughly every other college football program on the planet, including LSU, Wisconsin and even Jim Harbaugh.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:46 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Only big boy football I recognize is inside traps.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:47 pm to Hellmet
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That is where the game is driving to, and don't get me started on kick offs. The kick off is now the most worthless event in the game. I always get a laugh when we call the hogs on kick off, or Georgia does their dog thing.. doesn't mean shite anymore because 90% of the time it's a touch back.
They might as well just start giving teams the ball on the 25 and play Rock Paper Scissors for onside kicks.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:47 pm to UpToPar
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So, you agree that Bama has strayed (or started to stray) from big boy football?
Define "big boy football."
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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We don't run read option
Skip to 1:15
I believe this was his first meaningful snap at Bama. What play does that look like to you?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:55 pm to RollTide1987
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Define "big boy football."
I already did in the OP. Smash mouth, hat on a hat, run it down your throat football.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:02 am to UpToPar
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I believe this was his first meaningful snap at Bama. What play does that look like to you?
Would you say LSU is a read option offense with Joe Burrow because he runs a true read play with a serious keep option 3 times a game?
Come on man.
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 12:03 am
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