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re: SEC major bowl records (there are several surprises)

Posted on 7/16/18 at 8:05 am to
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 8:05 am to
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Many posters have no idea how good Ole Miss was.




Back in the day (Particularly when Archie Manning was there) Ole Miss was an excellent team. LSU/Ole Miss was a huge game and a lot of fun to watch.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 8:17 am to
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17- Won vs #1 Georiga


We were #3 when we played and #2 at the end of the season. I realize you are guessing that we beat (#2)Oklahoma and Alabama beat Clemson (#1) so we might have moved up, but I don't think rankings work that way.

If you want to argue for the rankings at the end of the year, can get on board with that, but we would have been #2 in that scenario.

Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 8:30 am to
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11- Won vs #1 LSU
12- Win vs Notre Dame
15- Won vs #1 Clemson
16- Lost to #2 Clemson
17- Won vs #1 Clemson
17- Won vs #1 Georiga


Undefeated as the #2 or lower team
Winless as the #1 team

Clearly we need to hope we are NOT #1 come playoff time.
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18155 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 8:33 am to
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Bama is a worthless, cheating program. They've bought every player that was ever any good from 1925 on. They've paid off all SEC refs from 1933 forward, NCAA presidents from Walter Byers to Mark Emmert,

A little over the top, but Bama has bought players, but not all of them.

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Success means cheating - unless you are AU. They were framed for their SEC leading 7 major infractions

NCAA Penalty OFFICIAL LINK =


Auburn University (7)
Texas A&M University, College Station (7)
University of Georgia (7)
Mississippi State University (6)
University of Alabama (6)
University of Kentucky (6)
University of South Carolina, Columbia (6)
University of Florida (5)
University of Mississippi (5)
University of Missouri, Columbia (5)
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville (4)
University of Tennessee, Knoxville (4)
Louisiana State University (3)
Vanderbilt University (1)

Your Aubsession is showing. UGA and TAMU both have 7, Bama has 6.. We can compare the merits of each, but the facts remain 7 of the SEC schools have 6 or more major violations. Bammers hate facts...

ETA: Lets save some time on Bama's probations... We were framed.

ETA: Violations last 20 years...

University of Alabama (4)
University of South Carolina, Columbia (3)
Louisiana State University (2)
Mississippi State University (2)
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville (2)
University of Georgia (2)
University of Mississippi (2)
University of Missouri, Columbia (2)
University of Tennessee, Knoxville (2)
Auburn University (1)
University of Florida (1)
University of Kentucky (1)
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 8:43 am
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:04 am to
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NCAA Penalty OFFICIAL LINK =

Keep in mind that's all sports.

LSU has one major infraction in football - Akim Hicks recruitment in 2010(?).
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18155 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:39 am to
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Keep in mind that's all sports.

LSU has one major infraction in football - Akim Hicks recruitment in 2010(?).


Actually 2.. 1986 (Basketball and Football) and the aforementioned 2011

Auburn University (5)
University of Alabama (5)
Mississippi State University (4)
Texas A&M University, College Station (4)
University of Florida (4)
University of Georgia (4)
University of Mississippi (4)
University of South Carolina, Columbia (4)
University of Kentucky (3)
University of Tennessee, Knoxville (3)
Louisiana State University (2)
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville (2)
University of Missouri, Columbia (2)

You can sort in multiple ways... LINK
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58952 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:40 am to
Never mind. I see you have updated accordingly.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 9:41 am
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:45 am to
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Bama is a worthless, cheating program. They've bought every player that was ever any good from 1925 on. They've paid off all SEC refs from 1933 forward, NCAA presidents from Walter Byers to Mark Emmert, US presidents from Calvin Coolidge to Donald Trump and UN Sec-Generals from Trygve Lie to Ban Ki-moon. Occam's Razor - it's obvious isn't it?


Yup. Good post.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96136 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:49 am to
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However, I am not sure how 11-11-1 beats 10-8.

How would it not?

We have more major bowl wins and more major bowl appearances


11-201 would be better than 11-0 in this scenario
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 9:50 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96136 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:51 am to
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Auburn University (7)
Texas A&M University, College Station (7)
University of Georgia (7)
Mississippi State University (6)
University of Alabama (6)
University of Kentucky (6)
University of South Carolina, Columbia (6)
University of Florida (5)
University of Mississippi (5)
University of Missouri, Columbia (5)
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville (4)
University of Tennessee, Knoxville (4)
Louisiana State University (3)
Vanderbilt University (1)
So we are 2nd best in major bowls, and have the 2nd least amount of cheating



I think we should get a big fricking cookie for that
Posted by SAINTS0321
Member since Jan 2016
3963 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:58 am to
That's the barn not bama but the world only knows since 1950s
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 3:11 pm
Posted by Fishhead
Elmendorf, TX
Member since Jan 2008
12195 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:06 am to
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Where did you get 6 from for Texas A&M?

1939 Sugar
1940 Cotton
1967 Cotton
1985 Cotton
1987 Cotton

2013 cotton?
If you're gonna go there, throw in the 2010 Cotton... just for kicks. :)
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58952 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:07 am to
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How would it not?



Win %?

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11-201 would be better than 11-0 in this scenario



How? I mean, he said if things were equal he would go by number of appearances, but things are not equal. It would appear as if we do better in big bowl games than LSU.

ETA
Ties indicate in winning percentage to me. Here is his quote:
Ties went to the program with the most appearances. I.e., it's an achievement to make an appearance.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 10:09 am
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:15 am to
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Actually 2.. 1986 (Basketball and Football)

Actually it's stated in the report that the football infraction was not considered major. The basketball ones were, however.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:21 am to
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Actually it's stated in the report that the football infraction was not considered major.


in and of itself, but you still got 1 year probation for the football violation. The coach lied and you got a harsher sentence because of it.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96136 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:26 am to
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How? I mean, he said if things were equal he would go by number of appearances, but things are not equal. It would appear as if we do better in big bowl games than LSU.
We have more bowl appreances

And more bowl wins


Using win percentage for these types of accomplishments is very dumb


Very very dumb

A coach that goes to 10 super bowls is 5-5 is far more accomplished and should be viewed higher than a coach that goes to only 7 and is 5-2......


This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 10:28 am
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:28 am to
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1 year probation for the football violation

Exactly, probation. No bowl ban, no scholarship limits, in other words, not major.

Assistant bought a kid a burger at the McDonalds on State St., and denied he paid for a meal.

I don't consider what McDonalds sells to be meals either.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:33 am to
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in other words, not major.


if you got one year, its a major

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Assistant bought a kid a burger at the McDonalds on State St., and denied he paid for a meal.


well it wasnt just a burger

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a then assistant football coach arranged for a student- athlete to sell four complimentary football tickets for the university's home games to an unidentified individual for approximately $200; (b) in December 1982, two representatives of the university's athletics interests arranged for $300 cash to be given to the father of a student-athlete in order to travel from his home to Miami, Florida, for the 1983 Orange Bowl game, and (c) in January 1986, at the conclusion of the expense-paid visit to the university's campus of a prospective student-athlete, a graduate assistant football coach arranged for a student-athlete to transport the young man and the coach to the young man's home.


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l. Violations of the provisions governing recruiting [NCAA Bylaws l-l-(b)-(l), l-9-(a) and l-9- (j)] -- (a) On one occasion during January l984, an assistant football coach transported a prospect to a restaurant where he entertained the young man for a meal; further, the coach subsequently gave false information to the NCAA and his institution regarding this matter; (b) during the 1981-82 academic year, during the expense-paid visit to the university's campus of a prospective student-athlete, a then assistant football coach arranged one night's lodging at a hotel in Baton Rouge for the young man's brother, sister and brother-in-law at no cost to them; further, the coach entertained these individuals for at least one meal at a seafood restaurant and another meal at a university cafeteria during the visit; (c) during the summer of 1982, a representative of the university's athletics interests transported two prospects by automobile round trip between their homes and Baton Rouge at no cost to the young men in order for them to attend the university's summer football camp; further, the representative paid the camp fee of approximately $250 for the young men, and during the l982-83 academic year, gave cash to them on several occasions (a total of approximately $80 to $l00 for
each young man); (d) during the spring of the 1982-
83 academic year, two representatives of the
university's athletics interests and one booster
organization for the university's athletics program
paid the football camp fees for three young men
who were high school athletics award winners; (e)
in January 1982, during the expense-paid visit to the
university's campus of a prospective student-athlete,
the university paid expenses to the young man in an
amount that was in excess of the actual expenses
incurred by him, and (f) in January 1983, during the
expense-paid visit to the university's campus of two
prospective student-athletes, the university paid
$33.48 to each young man as reimbursement for
round-trip automobile transportation, even though
another prospective student-athlete transported them
for the visit.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50765 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:37 am to
I guess you aren't counting to Cottom Bowl as a major bowl. It wasn't a BCS, but it was where the winner of the SWC went most years. It was the Dixie Classic before the CB.

A&M went 6-8 in this game. You add that to 1-1 in the Sugar Bowl and I would give A&M 7-9 record in major bowls.

Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:42 am to
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I guess you aren't counting to Cottom Bowl as a major bowl. It wasn't a BCS, but it was where the winner of the SWC went most years. It was the Dixie Classic before the CB.

A&M went 6-8 in this game. You add that to 1-1 in the Sugar Bowl and I would give A&M 7-9 record in major bowls.



Honestly its hard to say what was a major prior to them actually being declared major bowls. Many of them were just regional draws as far as the teams
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