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Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:36 am to sooner4life130
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I'm curious as to why people think as a football player, he's Manziel.
Because it's an easy, lazy comparison to make when you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to evaluating QB skills. Baker and Manziel aren't comparable. Baker is a better QB across the board.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:24 am to CharlotteSooner
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Baker and Manziel aren't comparable. Baker is a better QB across the board.
Care to expound? The yearly numbers favor Manziel
Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:29 am to BowlJackson
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He's probably better than Drew Brees tbh. Brees is unathletic overrated trash. He's the product of a system. He's the NFL version of Colt Brennan, Timmy Chang, Graham Harrell, etc... Great stats, set some records, and that's great and all... But anybody can see he's not the best, and anybody would put up better numbers in that offense.
Only a panthers fan could be so stupid. Even the falcons can recognize Brees. He’s probably the greatest QB to ever play in this division by a mile.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 10:47 am to CharlotteSooner
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Because it's an easy, lazy comparison to make when you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to evaluating QB skills. Baker and Manziel aren't comparable. Baker is a better QB across the board.
Speaking of lazy....
It only took Manziel 2 years of college ball to be drafted in the 1st round. Mayfield wouldn’t even have gone in the 3rd after 2 years. Mayfield wasn’t near the threat with his feet either.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 10:53 am to hg
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Drew Brees is pretty good at beating Georgia teams. RIP Bulldogs
Didn't he go 1-1 this season and 0-2 last season?
Didn't he lose his bowl game to UGA while at Purdue?
Saints fans always try too hard.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 10:54 am to Swagga
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Only a panthers fan could be so stupid. Even the falcons can recognize Brees. He’s probably the greatest QB to ever play in this division by a mile.
Agreed. Drew Brees is pretty damn good and pretty consistent over his career in N.O. in the NFL. Hard to argue against that.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:20 am to Vecchio Cane
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Care to expound? The yearly numbers favor Manziel
No they don't. Unless you're including his partial year at Tech.
There's not a single statistical passing category where Manziel was better. He ran more, I'll give you that, but Baker isn't a running QB. He rarely tries to run upfield, so not really comparable. As a passer, it's not even close, tbh.
Manziel LINK
Mayfield LINK
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:26 am to Boomer2797
Well it took me 2 seconds to confirm. Manziel was better his first 2 years (only accurate way to compare the 2). Higher Comp %, more yards, TDs and a higher yds per attempt. I won’t even mention the playmaking ability with his feet that really made him special. Thanks for playing.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 11:27 am
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:26 am to Boomer2797
So since your QB can't run you ignore the fact another can to try and win an argument?
Manziel has 9,989 yards and 93 TDs in 2 years as a FR & SO
Baker has had 8,792 yards and 93 TDs in 2 years as a JR & SR.
Johnny did it in the SEC, Baker did it in the Big 12.
Seems clear to me that Johnny has the edge, but at least its kind of close.
Manziel has 9,989 yards and 93 TDs in 2 years as a FR & SO
Baker has had 8,792 yards and 93 TDs in 2 years as a JR & SR.
Johnny did it in the SEC, Baker did it in the Big 12.
Seems clear to me that Johnny has the edge, but at least its kind of close.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:28 am to Beerad
Manziel is the better runner while Mayfield is more like Stidham with mobility and is a better passer, except he doesn't panic like Stidham does under pressure.
For me Baker Mayfield is Aaron Rodgers. The biggest danger from both for defenses are the streetball like offensive plays that can turn into big, gamebreaking plays.
For me Baker Mayfield is Aaron Rodgers. The biggest danger from both for defenses are the streetball like offensive plays that can turn into big, gamebreaking plays.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:28 am to king47sooners
Well, both are almost 6 feet so they have that in commom.
I'm sure he'll join the prestigious list of Big 12 QB's
that have gone on to great success in the NFL the last
15 years
I'm sure he'll join the prestigious list of Big 12 QB's
that have gone on to great success in the NFL the last
15 years
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:32 am to Razor Dawg
Tannehill? He's not terrible
RG3? Nope
VY? What a trainwreck
Bradford? He had his moments
Colt? Did he even play?
Weeden? I enjoyed him as a 3rd stringer in Houston
Geno? Total bust
Gabbert? Huge bust
Freeman? Another bust
RG3? Nope
VY? What a trainwreck
Bradford? He had his moments
Colt? Did he even play?
Weeden? I enjoyed him as a 3rd stringer in Houston
Geno? Total bust
Gabbert? Huge bust
Freeman? Another bust
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:38 am to Boomer2797
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As a passer, it's not even close, tbh.
Seriously? Per your links, Manziel's Freshman numbers vs SEC defenses were comparable to Baker's JR year vs Big12 defenses.
As a 5th year SR, Mayfield put up 200 more yards and 4 more TDs than a Sophomore Manziel.
Those numbers don't suggest that Baker is clearly a superior QB, imo. He's a helluva competitor. I don't want to sound like a Baker basher.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:42 am to Farmer1906
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Tannehill? He's not terrible RG3? Nope VY? What a trainwreck Bradford? He had his moments Colt? Did he even play? Weeden? I enjoyed him as a 3rd stringer in Houston Geno? Total bust Gabbert? Huge bust Freeman? Another bust
That was a really poor analysis.
Tannhill: he’s a decent starter but I never really felt he was the future.
RG3: Injuries ended his short career. Amazing rookie year.
VY: has his moments but injuries kept him from developing and Jeff Fisher sucks.
Bradford: very talented but just like the others, injuries keep him off the field. May still have another chance left.
Colt: really good backup. Super accurate.
Weeded: same as Colt. Very good backup.
Geno: never was impressed.
Gabbert: he’s actually starting to play well. I say he’s a bust as well but I’m actually surprised at how well he can play.
Freeman: that was a weird one. Looked like a solid qb for a year or two.
Baker might be a good starter, might not. There really is no telling since he’s not your pro type qb like Luck or Wentz. I think he’ll be fine. Going from walk-in to probably 2nd round isn’t bad.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 11:44 am
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:44 am to Vecchio Cane
We all know why the Sooner doesn't want to discuss Manziel's running ability.
17 rushes for 229 yards and 2 TDs
17 rushes for 229 yards and 2 TDs
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:44 am to Farmer1906
I thought we were talking about QBs? So you admit that Baker is more comparable to Drew Brees than Manziel? Thanks.
You also didn't include Completion %, Interceptions or QB Rating. And you're including a bowl game for Manziel, Baker hasn't played his yet.
I understand that in the SEC QB's don't throw the ball and that they're more valuable as an extra running back, but that's not really how anyone else evaluates QBs. You may have noticed that Manziel didn't do shite in the NFL. Sam Bradford has had a better career.
Manziel was a great college player, but as a quarterback, he can't be compared to Baker. The fact that you have to include rushing yards for it to even be close is hilarious.
You also didn't include Completion %, Interceptions or QB Rating. And you're including a bowl game for Manziel, Baker hasn't played his yet.
I understand that in the SEC QB's don't throw the ball and that they're more valuable as an extra running back, but that's not really how anyone else evaluates QBs. You may have noticed that Manziel didn't do shite in the NFL. Sam Bradford has had a better career.
Manziel was a great college player, but as a quarterback, he can't be compared to Baker. The fact that you have to include rushing yards for it to even be close is hilarious.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:45 am to sooner4life130
Tannehill and Bradford’s numbers are very similar and they’re the best of the bunch. Both are below average NFL starters who you aren’t winning shite with. The rest are plain bad pro QBs and several are out of the league
I do think Mayfield can be a solid NFL QB and I would rather have him than Jackson
I do think Mayfield can be a solid NFL QB and I would rather have him than Jackson
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:46 am to Farmer1906
Manziel was sick. They’re still not the same type of qb. As a dual threat, Manziel is your guy in college. I’m not sure who would debate that. Most “experts” think there’s very little comparison between the two and I agree. Mayfield can actually run, it’s just not something he does.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:49 am to Farmer1906
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Tannehill? He's not terrible
RG3? Nope
VY? What a trainwreck
Bradford? He had his moments
Colt? Did he even play?
Weeden? I enjoyed him as a 3rd stringer in Houston
Geno? Total bust
Gabbert? Huge bust
Freeman? Another bust
You can also include other QB's outside the Big 12 but
played in similar offenses
Manziel and Tim Couch would be included.
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