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Why will Kirby be any different than Muschamp and Chizik?
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:57 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:57 am
Boom went 11-2 in year 2, went 4-8 the next year and was fired the following season.
Chizik went 14-0 and was fired 2 years later.
What's different about Mr. Middle School Hair?
Chizik went 14-0 and was fired 2 years later.
What's different about Mr. Middle School Hair?
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:02 am to PorkSammich
Recruiting at a much higher level. Especially on the offensive line. Also shown to be a pretty good coach this year. Team made a ton of adjustments in the second game against Auburn.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:03 am to TearsofKnowshon
Knowshon nailed it
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:05 am to PorkSammich
We have a solid foundation to build on with freshmen like jake Fromm, Andrew Thomas, Ben cleveland, and deandre swift.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:07 am to djsdawg
Also, Muschamp's biggest failure was never being able to develop a quarterback which completely hamstrung the offense. Kirby seems to be in pretty good shape in that department with Fromm and Justin Fields coming in to back him up.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:07 am to PorkSammich
Bottom line is no one knows... he was a significantly better and more consistent DC than either chizik or muschamp.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:09 am to PorkSammich
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Why will Kirby be any different than Muschamp and Chizik?
He already is.
Muschamp was perenially lousy on one side of the ball, and his high water mark was winning the east. Kirby in year 2 has shown to be much more adept at being efficient on both sides of the ball, and has already accomplished more than muschamp in the way of an SEC title.
Chizik only had 1 good year and it was on the back of a generational talent and one of the best in SEC history, to go along with an innovative coordinator doing things the SEC wasn't used to. Is it any wonder that after the 2010 season AU went from national champs, to mediocre, to one of the worst teams in AU football history?
Both WM and GC, following up their excellent 2nd years, had woeful teams from there on out. While the jury is still out, I'll eat my hat if UGA goes 7-5 in 2018.
But perhaps the biggest thing is recruiting. UGA has never recruited like this in program history. I'd have to look it up (so someone chime in if I'm wrong) but I'd imagine muschmpa's UF teams typically recruited about a 5th-10th ranked class, while chizik's AU teams probably recruited an 8th-12th ranked class. Somewhere in that range. Kirby's class was 3rd last year and will likely finish 2nd this year (with a potentail push for #1). And 2019 doesn't show signs of slowing down either.
Btw, this is how you know you hired a winner, when people start getting nervous and comparing them to loser coaches of the past.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:12 am to lowspark12
I think Kirby is a better coach than the 2 listed. I don't think he will roller-coaster between seasons with massive ups and downs. Having said that, it will be very interesting to me to see how Kirby does fighting complacency. Getting there is one thing, staying there is another. It is very hard to maintain. That is what has amazed me about Saban and Alabama.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:18 am to Bolivar Shagnasty
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I think Kirby is a better coach than the 2 listed. I don't think he will roller-coaster between seasons with massive ups and downs. Having said that, it will be very interesting to me to see how Kirby does fighting complacency. Getting there is one thing, staying there is another. It is very hard to maintain. That is what has amazed me about Saban and Alabama.
Well Saban is an all-timer so I don't expect us to be in the playoffs damn near every year like bama is. But if a guy like Richt can be remarkably consistent with 10+ win seasons I see no reason why someone as hungry and relentless are kirby can't do it either. Here are richt's records his first 10 years as HC here:
8-4
13-1
11-3
10-2
10-3
9-4
11-2
10-3
8-5
6-7
It took until year 10 for us to truely have a "bad" year. Which btw was followed up with a 10 win and a 12 win season aftewards.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:19 am to PorkSammich
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Boom went 11-2 in year 2, went 4-8 the next year and was fired the following season.
Chizik went 14-0 and was fired 2 years later.
What's different about Mr. Middle School Hair?
He won't be. We will be in big trouble after this year.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:28 am to DawgsLife
Yep, nothing to see here so move along. Georgia will continue to do less with more.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:28 am to WG_Dawg
Georgia should always be good at football. Kirby is doing everything you could ask for on top of that
We will see. The way they are recruiting it’s hard to see this being a flash in the pan
We will see. The way they are recruiting it’s hard to see this being a flash in the pan
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 9:31 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:29 am to WG_Dawg
I think it's reasonable to expect Kirby to have a career similar to Stoop at Oklahoma and Meyer at Ohio State (so, a step above Richt but just below Saban). He will have his team in the conversation every year and compete for the conference in December more often than not. Not sure that he duplicates Saban's sustained success and dominance but one can hope
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:30 am to PorkSammich
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Mr. Middle School Hair
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:45 am to PorkSammich
I think Saban matured and became a better coach the last ten years. Most people learn from experience and I believe Saban has.
Kirby was there with him, so, maybe Kirby matured and learned from the same experiences.
Kirby was there with him, so, maybe Kirby matured and learned from the same experiences.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:47 am to PorkSammich
Kirby can build an effective offensive coaching staff. Muschamp can't.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 9:50 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:48 am to PorkSammich
Recruiting...Kirby is now on par with Saban and Mayer when it comes to recruiting. Muschamp and Chizik never were.
UGA is a great job when it comes to the in state talent base. Florida is probably the best state for HS talent. Florida has 40 4 stars every year. Georgia has around 30 4 stars. Many of these kids grow up Dawgs. Their families are Dawg fans. There is a huge pull to go to the in-state school. This is a huge advantage for anybody who coaches at UGA. Kirby is just now exploiting it.
UGA is a great job when it comes to the in state talent base. Florida is probably the best state for HS talent. Florida has 40 4 stars every year. Georgia has around 30 4 stars. Many of these kids grow up Dawgs. Their families are Dawg fans. There is a huge pull to go to the in-state school. This is a huge advantage for anybody who coaches at UGA. Kirby is just now exploiting it.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:53 am to frogtown
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Chizik never were.
Chizik wasn't far behind.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:55 am to WG_Dawg
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loser coaches
How long are we going to keep calling Muschamp this?
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:02 am to CNB
Let’s be honest - it’s what he was at Florida. Had a losing record to UGA, FSU, LSU and South Carolina. That’s not very good by UF standards.
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