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Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:39 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:39 am
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s boosters are circling from UF. Seems like Frost is the target for UF and the thought is Frost is interested but won't come till after the knights conference championship game.
(The above quote is from another thread about the Florida search)
serious thoughts...
It seems like Florida could/should go for a proven coach at a major university. Why do they go for coaches at smallish schools and hope they can run a much larger pressure cooker like Florida?
I have felt the same way about Georgia, fwiw. Now, our hire seems to have worked out and I am thrilled with Smart, but it seems like a risky thing to do over and over again. (For Georgia it was Richt and Smart, which, in their own way worked out)
(For Florida t has been Zook, Muschamp, McIlwaine and now maybe Frost?)
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:45 am to DawgsLife
Agree. It’s risky. Frost could be the next Urban...or he could be the next McElwain. UF is mirroring UT with their hires. Neither has hired a proven “higher level” winner, and the results on the field are showing.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:49 am to KurtSchrute
Georgia got lucky, twice in a row, but more often than not it doesn't work out.
I mean, both are proven, big time programs, and Florida, I would have to think, is more attractive than Georgia with their recruiting pool. I am guessing they do it to save money?
I mean, both are proven, big time programs, and Florida, I would have to think, is more attractive than Georgia with their recruiting pool. I am guessing they do it to save money?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:52 am to DawgsLife
Spurrier only had one more season of college head coaching experience than Frost does when he was hired by Florida. Not saying Frost is without risk, but you never really know.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:56 am to LarryCLE
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Spurrier only had one more season of college head coaching experience than Frost does when he was hired by Florida. Not saying Frost is without risk, but you never really know.
I understand, but how many unproven coaches have you hired since Spurrier? (I already admitted that Georgia does the same thing, so this is not a dig at Florida)
Do you think it is based on money....or are the teams scared of being turned down by a proven coach...or just intrigued by the thought of catching the next "Lightening in a Bottle"?
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Add to that, that Spurrier at least was at Duke before Florida. Maybe UCF is a much bigger job than I am thinking?
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 6:59 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:00 am to DawgsLife
I think every school is hoping to find the next Saban or Meyer. Stoops and Kelly are great coaches but not on Saban’s or Meyer’s level. Wishful thinking for the most part.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:00 am to DawgsLife
It's certainly risky. In the case of Georgia, at least for the first 2 years, it seems to have been a home run, but it could easily be a huge mistake that continues to set your program backward.
The problem is, it will take 2-3 years to really know.
The problem is, it will take 2-3 years to really know.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:01 am to DawgsLife
I agree, but you are acting as if there are a bunch of proven home-run coaches out there to pick from.
They dont come around every day. I wouldnt put all confidence in kirby yet either. 2 of his biggest wins are against teams that are replacing their coaches. Not hard to win with the talent he walked into, and not hard for him to recruit well either as 2 major recruiting rivals are looking for new coaches.
I'd wait for auburn, and bama to see where he is at. Also, uga fans should be more appreciative of chaney as he has the O churning. Just like he had a UT. Now he has D to help him out.
So what are these proven hires that are 100% worth all the money a team must pay to get them out of their current situation, and deal with the fight the current school will put up?
They dont come around every day. I wouldnt put all confidence in kirby yet either. 2 of his biggest wins are against teams that are replacing their coaches. Not hard to win with the talent he walked into, and not hard for him to recruit well either as 2 major recruiting rivals are looking for new coaches.
I'd wait for auburn, and bama to see where he is at. Also, uga fans should be more appreciative of chaney as he has the O churning. Just like he had a UT. Now he has D to help him out.
So what are these proven hires that are 100% worth all the money a team must pay to get them out of their current situation, and deal with the fight the current school will put up?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:03 am to LarryCLE
Kelly seems like he could excell at Florida, but I don't think he would be interested. Florida carries a lot of expectations and pressure. I think Kelly would be a better fit out west. Stoops? He wouldn't like the SEC where he would not be the top dog.
Frost might well be the cream of the crop, if he can handle the pressure cooker in Florida. No way to know until he gets there....if he is offered and then takes the job.
Frost might well be the cream of the crop, if he can handle the pressure cooker in Florida. No way to know until he gets there....if he is offered and then takes the job.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:06 am to kywildcatfanone
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The problem is, it will take 2-3 years to really know.
True. But the problem with people like Muschamp (Using him since he had immediate success at Florida, then struggled) is that he recruited very well on defense and ignored the offensive side of the ball. Kirby seems to be recruiting both sides very, very well. The question about Smart for me was could he coach....he is doing it very well right now.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:09 am to TOSOV
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I agree, but you are acting as if there are a bunch of proven home-run coaches out there to pick from.
True. And a good point. But Ohio State went out and got Meyer. And Michigan went out and got Harbaugh. (I'm not a Harbaugh fan, but he was a big name and somewhat proven)
It just seems like for Georgia it began and ended with Smart, and with Florida it has begun with Frost. I hear very little about proven coaches. (I also understand that I am not hearing from the search committees, so they might be doing stuff behind the scenes.)
I just found it odd that two huge programs like Georgia and Florida seem to always pick unproven coaches, while teams like Ohio State and Michigan went with name coaches.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:31 am to DawgsLife
Through 31 games, Harbaugh has the same record at Michigan as Brady Hoke did. Obviously, some hires are better (seemingly safer), but there are no guarantees.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:35 am to CLeeH
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Through 31 games, Harbaugh has the same record at Michigan as Brady Hoke did. Obviously, some hires are better (seemingly safer), but there are no guarantees.
Which is why I am not a Harbaugh fan. He has never won his own conference in college football. So, yes, you are right. It takes just the right personality and style of coach to school. There are no gaurantees.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:36 am to DawgsLife
I agree with this
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:37 am to DawgsLife
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I mean, both are proven, big time programs, and Florida, I would have to think, is more attractive than Georgia with their recruiting pool. I am guessing they do it to save money?
This aint your parents Florida anymore, they're in a pretty big hole right now. UGA has just about everythign going for it you could want but after the Goff-era disaster the best we got was jim donnan who was known for being successful at 1AA marshall.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:41 am to WG_Dawg
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This aint your parents Florida anymore, they're in a pretty big hole right now. UGA has just about everythign going for it you could want but after the Goff-era disaster the best we got was jim donnan who was known for being successful at 1AA marshall.
I can understand that, and it is a good point. We have been extremely fortunate, but Florida has really struggled lately with their hires. I mean, they have facilities, a good fan base, money, academics, and a very fertile recruiting area. It has to still be considered a great opportunity and landing spot. I mean, Ohio State and Michigan both had big problems before their hires.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:44 am to WG_Dawg
It escapes me why anyone would think any school can pull a proven coach. In the modern era there isn't much difference in opportunity between the top 20ish schools. So why would I leave UNC to go to Texas ala Mack Brown in this culture...the risk out weighs the reward.
There may be 3 jobs where there is a significant benefit. USC has shown a coach can still screw it up. bama pre-saban was a mess compared to their history. tOSU has shown it can get proven coaches, and they arguably do the best job sustaining consistent success.
I agree Florida seems like a job that might be creeping toward this top tier status, but for whatever reason they haven't really jumped in yet.
There may be 3 jobs where there is a significant benefit. USC has shown a coach can still screw it up. bama pre-saban was a mess compared to their history. tOSU has shown it can get proven coaches, and they arguably do the best job sustaining consistent success.
I agree Florida seems like a job that might be creeping toward this top tier status, but for whatever reason they haven't really jumped in yet.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 7:45 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:45 am to DawgsLife
Teams dont just hire away successful big school coaches anymore really. So not sure why this is a thread. You go after assistants or smaller school successful HCs. Sometimes the NFL, but that's usually because they didn't work out up in the NFL.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:46 am to DawgsLife
I think Frost would kill it at UF. UF has made it known they will cut the bullshite quick if it starts to go south (unlike UT) so I see a high floor and an even higher ceiling for hiring Frost.
That said... I really hope they just promote Randy Shannon to HC
That said... I really hope they just promote Randy Shannon to HC
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:48 am to DawgsLife
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Hiring Unproven Coaches by DawgsLife Georgia got lucky, twice in a row, but more often than not it doesn't work out.
Looking at MSU football history, hiring Florida OC Dan Mullen has worked out for State.
It's a crap shoot. Roll and take your chances. 'Best fit' seems to trump HC experience.
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