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re: The "Hurts is a Bad QB" narrative is really interesting...

Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:01 am to
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:01 am to
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63% Career passing is now mediocre.


That stat is a bit skewed. The vast majority of his completions are either at or behind the LOS or they are within 10 yards of the LOS. Those easy throws will make your completion percentage look better than it would be in a traditional passing attack.

Look, Hurts has many positive attributes:
1)the guy has ice in his veins. Not many frosh QBs could throw a pick in tiger stadium in the 1st Q and remain poised. Hurts did.

2)the boy can run. No explanation needed.

3)he doesn't make risky throws. This allows the guys around him to make plays and keeps the defense out of short field situations.

Those are all positives but don't act like the kid doesn't have some deficiencies as well.
I don't have any advanced statistics to provide but his completion % on passes beyond 20 yards has to be bottom half in the league and that's with a legit deep threat in Calvin Ridley as his #1 WR.

So far Bama has been good enough to where this hasn't really bit them in the arse yet BUT if they ever run into a team that can shut down the run for 4 Quarters without wearing down AND can score a few times to go ahead by a couple of TDs, the inability to throw the ball down field will be exposed.

Obviously I hope LSU is the team to do that but if I'm being honest, I think the only 2 teams that have the ability to put Bama in that situation are Georgia and Penn State.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:07 am to
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So he's a good RB and a mediocre QB


He’s really good at running the football, mediocre at throwing the football, and good at making the right decision, or to be more accurate good at not making bad decisions. He plays safe and doesn’t take many risks. This leaves big plays on the field but it is also a recipe for winning games when you have a defense like he does. I think Saban would rather 2 touchdowns and 2 punts than 3 touchdowns and 3 turnovers. I’d say that makes him more dangerous than a mediocre quarterback.

To be honest he’s getting more comfortable throwing the football. The only mediocre aspects of his game have been the deep ball and going through his progressions. He’s gotten better at the latter. 1 play for 60 yards and a touchdown nets the same amount of points as 10 plays at 6 yards per play and a touchdown. To call him a mediocre QB is laughable, to call him a mediocre passer is fair and accurate. A lot more goes into the position at this level than throwing the ball.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:10 am to
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quote:So he's a good RB and a mediocre QB He’s really good at running the football, mediocre at throwing the football, and good at making the right decision, or to be more accurate good at not making bad decisions. He plays safe and doesn’t take many risks. This leaves big plays on the field but it is also a recipe for winning games when you have a defense like he does. I think Saban would rather 2 touchdowns and 2 punts than 3 touchdowns and 3 turnovers. I’d say that makes him more dangerous than a mediocre quarterback. To be honest he’s getting more comfortable throwing the football. The only mediocre aspects of his game have been the deep ball and going through his progressions. He’s gotten better at the latter. 1 play for 60 yards and a touchdown nets the same amount of points as 10 plays at 6 yards per play and a touchdown. To call him a mediocre QB is laughable, to call him a mediocre passer is fair and accurate. A lot more goes into the position at this level than throwing the ball.



The BEST post in this entire thread. Good Summary.
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:10 am to
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The only mediocre aspects of his game have been the deep ball and going through his progressions.


He's not very good at reading defenses before or after the snap, or checking down to secondary receivers.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:13 am to
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He's not very good at reading defenses before or after the snap,


He's done a good job of it this year
Posted by Quicksilver
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:13 am to
They're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with Hurts. He's a solid QB but playing in the wrong system. Luckily his running game is good enough to make it work.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:15 am to
What gives you the impression he isn’t good at reading them before the snap? His lack of turnovers and succes with RPO’s indicates otherwise. I do have a gripe with his progressions though, but mainly because he doesn’t throw it to the second read unless that guy has 3 steps of separation. He leaves big plays on the field in favor of the safer play, which is usually just running for 6-10 yards and staying on the field
Posted by NaturalBeam
Member since Sep 2007
14534 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:21 am to
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I know he will not beat us


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Ummmm

He already did.. HIM... His TD.. wow. Oh my bad.. holding, I forgot.
He threw for a hundred and ran for a hundred with 1 TD. That hardly beat us. Your defense/our offense is what beat us, moron.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
17002 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:22 am to
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The "Hurts is a Bad QB" narrative is really interesting...What gives you the impression he isn’t good at reading them before the snap? His lack of turnovers and succes with RPO’s indicates otherwise. I do have a gripe with his progressions though, but mainly because he doesn’t throw it to the second read unless that guy has 3 steps of separation. He leaves big plays on the field in favor of the safer play, which is usually just running for 6-10 yards and staying on the field


Finally someone who understands football.

Correct, his read prior to snaps is what gave us the big run by DH34 against TAMU. Which BTW was the difference in the game.
Posted by BamaStepL
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:22 am to
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I honestly cannot tell if this is a troll attempt or not. Completing 4 straight passes is his biggest achievement that you're using to brag on him about?



you're an idiot move on
Posted by BamaStepL
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:51 am to
63% completions do not tell the whole story...

Whether the pass is a 5 yard slant a ten yard out a swing out of the back field, an 8 yrd dig or 10 yrd cross... it's still a pass morons... they still take timing and accuracy. That's why they practice them. There are many QBs who aren't even hitting those routes.

Passes downfield are less likely to be completed at a high percentage. Where 40% or higher is basically excellent 15 yds or more. If he only threw those passes and completed 40% we couldn't stay on the field. Hurts 2nd or 3rd read aren't better than his legs a lot of times which leads to the ungodly amount of 1st downs Bama has had this year. Good QBing.

Being a good passing QB is not determined just by deep passes as most of you hicks believe. Tua is potentially a great talent but he comes in the game playing against demoralized defenses who aren't blitzing and are likely playing some backups. If it wasn't for Hurts leading TD drives at a phenomenal clip Tua wouldn't even be getting PT.

When AJ played the backups barely got run at all.. he wasn't as great as some seem to remember hell Sims demolished his best year by A LOT and everyone said he was a RB lol.

The point is that all of Hurts completions aren't easy throws... When he makes great throws they are just ignored so when he has an incompletion everyone screams he's horrible.. I know it's mostly in jest because your teams just suck or you're a Bama fan and want the back up to start. But you don't have to blur the kids talents and REAL accomplishments for that agenda.. wait this is the Rant.. nevermind lol.
Posted by tattoo
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:32 am to
IMO, Jalen Hurts is a mediocre but underrated and improving passer. (His QBR is 6th in the SEC and 15+ yard passing is tied with Austin Allen for 7th, ESPN total QBR 11th in country, 2nd in SEC) His intangibles are off the chart - yes, they matter very much. IMO, he is overrated as a runner: good top end speed and power, good vision, poor quickness - i.e., he is a good, not great runner. Overall, he is a very good, not great, college QB.

His competitiveness and ability to respond when Bama is challenged is amazing. He did this last year against OM, UT and A&M. Even in the one loss, to Clemson, when Bama fell behind at the end, he led the team straight down the field and scored the go-ahead TD on a 20+ yard run. Bama never got the ball back. The one time Bama fell behind this year, to FSU, he quickly threw a perfect 50+ yard strike to Ridley to regain the lead. He has the clutch gene.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted by samson73103
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 12:10 pm to
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He’s efficient and runs that offense well. He’s just not really a guy who’s going to scare you.


Honestly the Bama key to success. McCarron, McElroy, and Sims werethe exact same way (AJ was the best of all 3)



This guy gets it
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