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If the NFL doesn't enforce its own rules, why should teams and players have to?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:53 am
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:53 am
The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states:
“The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
“The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:55 am to coachcrisp
This stupid anthem shite has to be the most faux-outrage I've seen
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:56 am to coachcrisp
I can't figure out why people care so much about football players' feelings on the National Anthem.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:59 am to coachcrisp
Because the NFL isn't dumb enough to try to enforce that.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:59 am to coachcrisp
Make your own league and make them stand, if you want. I predict nothing but success.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:02 am to CNB
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the most faux-outrage I've seen
You don't remember the 99% and all the Occupy movements?
Or the hordes of people walking around with vagina hats , protesting the "war on women"

Faux outrage and muh feelings! are the world we now live in
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 8:03 am
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:06 am to Vecchio Cane
All of those have more significant (relatively) meanings than "THAT FOOTBALL PLAYER AINT STANDIN FOR MUH FLAG AND ANTHEM"
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:12 am to CNB
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All of those have more significant (relatively) meanings
Well, there are actual, real players who are not standing. Are you going to posit an actual War on Women?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:14 am to Vecchio Cane
I just want a vagina hat
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:15 am to CNB
The point is if the league's not going to enforce its own rules, how can they judge the teams and players on those rules?....it's a simple question, but I haven't seen ANY attempt to answer it, so.....

Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:21 am to coachcrisp
If they enforce those rules at this moment, they create more division.
I'm gonna go ahead and assume they don't want that
I'm gonna go ahead and assume they don't want that
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 8:22 am
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:31 am to coachcrisp
My biggest thing on this issue is that the issue that is being argued isn't the issue being protested. Kaep started protesting to bring attention to issues in the black community. He gets shite canned and a handful of other players began to protest, this had as much to do with him being out of a job as it did with the initial issue. Fast forward to Trump making a statement that NFL owners should fire any player kneeling during the National Anthem and now the entire league is protesting.
Let's stop pretending these guys are protesting a cause, the flag, or the National Anthem. They're protesting Donald Trump and fairly so. It's one thing to disagree with someone's views and actions. It's another to try and take away their ability to voice those opinions. It's even beyond that to say that they should have their livelihood, their dream, something they've worked towards for most of their lives taken away while you are in a role that is supposed to protect those liberties.
Let's stop pretending these guys are protesting a cause, the flag, or the National Anthem. They're protesting Donald Trump and fairly so. It's one thing to disagree with someone's views and actions. It's another to try and take away their ability to voice those opinions. It's even beyond that to say that they should have their livelihood, their dream, something they've worked towards for most of their lives taken away while you are in a role that is supposed to protect those liberties.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:36 am to coachcrisp
Well the keyword here is "should". Never says "required".
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:32 am to CNB
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All of those have more significant (relatively) meanings than "THAT FOOTBALL PLAYER AINT STANDIN FOR MUH FLAG AND ANTHEM"
Is it more faux outrage than players expressing such outrage over police brutality when their union spends half its time defending the scumbags in the their midst for punishment?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:40 am to teamjackson
quote:I disagree. The keyword here is "rule"...that means "required".
Well the keyword here is "should". Never says "required".
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:48 am to coachcrisp
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During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
Maybe they should rewrite the rule and include the appropriate jargon.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 11:28 am to teamjackson

Posted on 9/27/17 at 11:46 am to coachcrisp
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“The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
I've kept my opinion on this subject to myself and will continue to do so, but if this is the rule and it dictates what the punishment could be if it's not followed, then what makes this any different from the following instances of rule breaking:
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Running back DeAngelo Williams received a first-offense uniform violation of $5,787 for wearing "Find the Cure" in his eye black in honor of breast cancer awareness. He has worn the eye black for years, he told ESPN.
Meanwhile, the league fined cornerback William Gay the same amount for wearing purple cleats to show support for domestic violence awareness, his agent, Jerrold Colton, confirmed.
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When Chicago Bears wide receiver Brandon Marshall first decided to wear green shoes to raise awareness for mental illness during Thursday Night Football last week, the NFL told him he wouldn’t be allowed on the field with the shoes on. The league relented after public pressure, but it promised Marshall he’d be fined.
Marshall, who was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder in 2011, wore the shoes anyway. And the NFL followed up on its threat, fining Marshall $10,500 for violating the league’s uniform rules.
So the NFL fines a player for raising awareness on an issue the league formally endorses throughout the entire month of October, but they do nothing to people who violate another rule in the league rulebook?



This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:37 pm to TideSaint
quote:The exact point of my thread!...thank you!
So the NFL fines a player for raising awareness on an issue the league formally endorses throughout the entire month of October, but they do nothing to people who violate another rule in the league rulebook?

Posted on 9/27/17 at 11:52 pm to TideSaint
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“The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
I'll keep my personal thoughts to myself here as I will likely only make both "sides" of the debate angry about something. :)
But from a strictly legal argument, here is how it reads to me. I've bolded what seems to be the crux of this rule... as written, the only parts that appear to be explicit enough to be "violated" are "The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game" and "all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem". Everything else appears to be suggested behavior. Expected conduct is enumerated, but no penalties are described for failing to adhere to those points.
There is a weird line there at the end - "for violations of the above" - but again, should is not definitive enough and a good attorney would have a field day with this one.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 11:53 pm
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