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Posted on 11/17/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 4:18 pm
Did you hear them say how George H. W. Bush was one of the greatest presidents in the history of the US? I got a lot of bad looks when I busted out laughing. Just because we built the Bush School at A&M doesn't mean we have to tell straight up lies about their family. I'm not saying he wasn't a good president, but to say he was one of the greatest in American history is a big stretch.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 4:28 pm to
He's the greatest US president to have a library on our campus
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 4:35 pm to
And Texas A&M is the best football team that starts with T and ends with exas A&M. That isn't really much of an accomplishment, is it?
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 4:44 pm to
Having his library on our campus is a great achievement
Posted by Texas Weazel
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 4:46 pm to
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And Texas A&M is the best football team that starts with T and ends with exas A&M. That isn't really much of an accomplishment, is it?

Read his post again. He's agreeing with you in a way.

I got no problem with either Bush. They're ok in my books, regardless of what everyone says about them.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 4:48 pm to
I feel like Bush Sr. is a middle of the pack president. His son is towards the bottom. Lying about going to war in a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, then cutting taxes during that war to produce a recession so bad that it is compared to 1929...you don't get a lot of good points in my book. Also no child left behind was terrible.
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 4:49 pm
Posted by Texas Weazel
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:09 pm to
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His son is towards the bottom. Lying about going to war in a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, then cutting taxes during that war to produce a recession so bad that it is compared to 1929...you don't get a lot of good points in my book. Also no child left behind was terrible.

The way I see it, Iraq was a Dingleberry we never wiped from our butt. Was it a frick up? Yes, but to be fair all the problems in the Middle East stem from the dumbass Brits colonizing most of the world, striping regions of their resources, and then hightailing it once they couldn't leach anymore money. We were and still are trying to balance issues that stem from globalization and religious extremism. The story of the middle East is always a dangerous dictator who rules with inhumane laws or religious fricktards who use their religion to excuse murder and fund terrorism.

You have to hand it to Bush, after 9/11 our nation was kept safe for the most part. Could he have handled it better? Yes. But if he didn't do it, we would still have Saddam stirring the damn pot of diarrhea that is the Middle East. Our exit strategy should have been a lot better.

As far as the recession, those are cyclical and have happened at a rate of one every 10 years since the 80s. As far as No Child Left behind...I was in some of the state's worst public schools for most of Bush's administrationod and I didn't get left behind. Worked out for me so I'm not sure why people were mad about it.
Posted by finestfirst79
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:28 pm to
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Did you hear them say how George H. W. Bush was one of the greatest presidents in the history of the US? I got a lot of bad looks when I busted out laughing.


Give it four years and you'll agree.
Posted by Tridentds
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:05 pm to
Not the best but the farther we get away from his time in the White House the better he looks. Definitely one of the most honest presidents we have had. Compared to Obama the Bush administration was very transparent.

Don't think a lot of people understood the housing was in the works for a decade and the tech bubble had burst before he came to office. On top of this stuff 9/11. He had a brutal first couple of years to deal with.

Probably the most thoroughly tested president ever. I will always be thankful that gutless wimp Gore wasn't in charge.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:12 pm to
Bashing Bush is so 2008 tbh.
Posted by Tecate
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:12 pm to
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then cutting taxes during that war to produce a recession so bad that it is compared to 1929.


Can we assume that you don't have a degree in economics?
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:31 pm to
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then cutting taxes during that war to produce a recession so bad that it is compared to 1929


Not sure you understand how this works
Posted by Masterag
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Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:46 pm to
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Saddam


Better him than ISIS. He was cruel, but he kept the extremists in line and Iraqis and Syrians weren't dying by the dozen on a daily basis.
Posted by Masterag
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Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:49 pm to
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As far as the recession, those are cyclical and have happened at a rate of one every 10 years since the 80s


Lmfao. Apples and fricking elephants.

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I was in some of the state's worst public schools for most of Bush's administrationod and I didn't get left behind.


Oh well it worked for you, bust be great!
Posted by Texas Weazel
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:47 pm to
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Better him than ISIS. He was cruel, but he kept the extremists in line and Iraqis and Syrians weren't dying by the dozen on a daily basis.

You think ISIS would have grown like they did had we implemented a better exit plan? If you want to blame Bush for ISIS, that's fine. But Obama deserves some blame too. If you want to compare Saddam to ISIS, go for it. But comparing one evil to another evil and settling for the lesser one is a terrible option. Like it or not, Saddam was a problem that we had to eventually fix down the line. The Middle East is not all black and white and hindsight is always 20/20 with people who like to complain.

If you really want to blame someone for this mess we have, blame the Brits and French. They created this mess after they broke up the Ottoman Empire. They though cutting up regions was as easy as drawing lines in maps, but all they did was piss off the entire region and it made them hate the Western world.

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Lmfao. Apples and fricking elephants.


Not really. Go look at our past recessions and see the pattern. You can't expect our economy to always be healthy and growing. Recessions are bound to happen in every economy. Sometimes they are as bad as 2008, sometimes they aren't. Could Bush have influenced it? Probably, but not all blame goes to him for the 2008 recession. Want to blame someone? Blame the idiots who bought houses they had no business buying and Clinton for giving them the chance.

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Oh well it worked for you, bust be great!

We're you in public school during the Bush Administration? Because someone who isn't smart enough to pass standardized testing really has no business walking a college campus. I have absolutely no problem with standardized testing and never understood parents who wanted to protect their little snowflakes from those mean tests.
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 11:04 pm
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:23 pm to
Lesser evil is always better than a greater evil. Would you rather someone break in your house and steal your belongings or kill your whole family and post it on YouTube?

Every time you reduce regulation on Wall Street that shite happens. They have no soul or conscience. They make money, the world be damned.

Yes I was, and I happen to be pretty intelligent in spite of not being taught what to learn and now how to learn. I'm pretty sure most a&m grads can say the same, but there are those who aren't so lucky to have parents who put a premium on education and/or weren't gifted with high intelligence. There's always more of them, and just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there.
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 11:24 pm
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:12 am to
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Lesser evil is always better than a greater evil. Would you rather someone break in your house and steal your belongings or kill your whole family and post it on YouTube

I'd rather fight them to protect both my family and belongings.
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Every time you reduce regulation on Wall Street that shite happens. They have no soul or conscience. They make money, the world be damned.


A lot of that was on Slick Willy's administration for creating a lax credit environment.
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Yes I was, and I happen to be pretty intelligent in spite of not being taught what to learn and now how to learn. I'm pretty sure most a&m grads can say the same, but there are those who aren't so lucky to have parents who put a premium on education and/or weren't gifted with high intelligence. There's always more of them, and just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there.



I don't consider myself to be an intelligent person, but even I knew that the TAAS/TAKS was a very basic standardized test full of crap we were supposed to know by then. The History and Science tests were mostly common knowledge and the Math, Reading and Writing portions were easier than the SAT. I never understood why parents hated standardized testing since tests are the only thing a kid will see in college.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but any kid that couldn't pass the standardized tests didn't deserve a HS Diploma. The tests weren't hard and all they required was effort from the student. I went to a terrible HS were half the time we spent flinging pencils to the ceiling to get them stuck and the other half was spent messing with teachers. We had very little learning moments, but those moments were enough to get me through HS and into A&M. Most of a student's success has to do with the actual student and not the classroom.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
21640 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:38 am to
Herbert Walker is a goddamned American hero.

Dubya, Cheney and pretty much all of dubya's cabinet can eat a bag of dicks. frick all of them...and I'd take any of them over trump.




....except for Cheney. I'm convinced he's the devil.
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:45 am to
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Lying about going to war


Don't tell me you're part of the "Bush lied, people died!" crowd. Virtually EVERYONE thought Saddam had WMD, from Republicans AND Democrats, to just about every major intelligence service around the globe. Turns out they were all wrong.

You want to know why we have President Elect Trump? Partly because of this stuff here. You could fault Bush for not having a good plan for what happened after Saddam was deposed. But the Dems couldn't let an opportunity to demonize the Republican go to waste. No, they forgot their own votes for the war based on the intelligence they saw, so they could turn Bush into lying, blood-for-oil-thirsty BUSHITLER. Bush couldn't just have been wrong. He had to be EVIL.

And then McCain had to be EVIL.

And then Romney had to be EVIL.

When year after year the Dems say the Republican candidate is always a RACISTSEXISTBIGOTHOMOPHOBE then people begin to wonder if the Dems are really just crying wolf for political purposes. And when along comes Trump, who actually does present a target-rich environment when it comes to some of those charges, the electorate is numb to them.

If you want to legitimately criticize Bush, there's plenty of material available. The "Bush Lied" meme isn't part of that.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:59 am to
The problems do come from British rule, you are right. Iraq was a country drawn from the leftover land that had oil wells. That's why there were 3 ethnics groups that hated each other in the same country. Many issues in African politics stem from the end of colonialism as well.

I would say Bush lied because of public opinion over time. After 9/11 less than 10% of Americans felt Iraq was responsible. In early 2003 it was something like 58%. That is the work of government propaganda. It gave him a way to go finish what his daddy started.

And no, I never studied economics. I studied industrial engineering. And for an industrial engineer, it's pretty obvious if you cut taxes during a war it is going to cause some serious problems down the road.
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 8:02 am
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