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Trevor Knight vs The 5 star transfers
Posted on 9/6/16 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 9/6/16 at 6:23 pm
So I think we all agreed that knight did about what we expected. He managed the game well, showed leadership, but ultimately has his own shortcomings reading the defense, holding on to the ball, not stepping up in the pocket.
Since we got torched in the offseason because we lost 2 QBs to transfer I wanted to compare the ASU opener w/ Kyle Allen to the UCLA opener with Trevor Knight.
Allen
15-26, 57.7%
198 yards
2 TD
1 INT
7-3, 0.4
1 TD
Knight
22-42, 52.4%
239 yards
1 TD
1 INT
9-31, 3.4
2 TDs
Overall I would say pretty similar except Knight is a bigger run threat. That is only looking at on field stuff & not the locker room
What does tArk say? Are we better off with Knight than Allen for 2016?
At this point I would say we need more data, but Knight did not hurt his case.
Since we got torched in the offseason because we lost 2 QBs to transfer I wanted to compare the ASU opener w/ Kyle Allen to the UCLA opener with Trevor Knight.
Allen
15-26, 57.7%
198 yards
2 TD
1 INT
7-3, 0.4
1 TD
Knight
22-42, 52.4%
239 yards
1 TD
1 INT
9-31, 3.4
2 TDs
Overall I would say pretty similar except Knight is a bigger run threat. That is only looking at on field stuff & not the locker room
What does tArk say? Are we better off with Knight than Allen for 2016?
At this point I would say we need more data, but Knight did not hurt his case.
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Posted on 9/6/16 at 6:28 pm to Farmer1906
I would have expected Allen to improve and progress over where he was at this time last year. His ceiling is absolutely higher than Knight's. I think we would have been better off with Allen but Knight can get us where we need to go if the OL holds up. Allen isn't the prospect that someone like Watson or Kaaya is.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 9/6/16 at 6:47 pm to Farmer1906
That's one way to look at it. Another is to look at their 1st starts with A&M
Knight
22-42, 52.4%
239 yards
1 TD
1 INT
9-31, 3.4
2 TDs
Against a top 20 team, with top 20 talent nationally without Speedy Noil.
Allen
13-28, 46.4%
106 yards
1 TD
1 INT
6-12, 2.0
Against Louisiana Monroe
Knight
22-42, 52.4%
239 yards
1 TD
1 INT
9-31, 3.4
2 TDs
Against a top 20 team, with top 20 talent nationally without Speedy Noil.
Allen
13-28, 46.4%
106 yards
1 TD
1 INT
6-12, 2.0
Against Louisiana Monroe
Posted on 9/6/16 at 6:49 pm to Chill98
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That's one way to look at it. Another is to look at their 1st starts with A&M
Compare the "first" start of a 4th year senior QB to the actual first start for a true freshman QB?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 6:51 pm to Farmer1906
We would absolutely be better off with Allen
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:03 pm to DBU
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Compare the "first" start of a 4th year senior QB to the actual first start for a true freshman QB?
Allen against top 20 level talent in 2015
Alabama
20-40
263 Yards
1 TD
3 INTs
Ole Miss
12-34
88 Yards
0 TDs
1 INT
LSU
15-28
161 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:40 pm to Chill98
Well... First start for the 4th yr QB in this system. Let's see how this plays out over the next 3-4 weeks but Knight looks like he can get it done.
If we need to put a game entirely on his shoulders then we have a bigger problem anyway.
If we need to put a game entirely on his shoulders then we have a bigger problem anyway.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:05 pm to Farmer1906
I like Knight's leadership, but we'd be a much better offense with a third year Kyle Allen. He was the highest rated passer in the SEC prior to getting hurt in the third quarter against MSU.
The bottom line is Allen has an NFL arm, Knight doesn't.
The bottom line is Allen has an NFL arm, Knight doesn't.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:07 pm to Chill98
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Allen against top 20 level talent in 2015
He was playing injured in all three games.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 9:03 pm to WestCoastAg
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We would absolutely be better off with Allen
Agreed. Anyone who says otherwise is either bitter or foolish
That said, if Knight can manage the game....that's all we want from him.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 10:05 pm to Farmer1906
Meh. To keep Allen, we had to keep Spaz, so....adios...mofo.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 10:15 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I like to be objective and let the data talk.
Based on the #s Allen was never great. He never lived up to the 5 star ranking. When I watched him play, he isn't physically gifted like the top tier QBs. Then again neither is Knight.
Here are Allen's career per game #s.
176.6 yards
1.65 TDs
0.70 INTs
58.5% COMP
But the excuse is he played hurt or was a freshman or something.
So lets look at his top 6 games vs power 5 teams out of the 20 he played in.
281 yards
2.83 TD
0.67 INT
65% COMP
That looks fairly similar to Knight who only has a few more games than Allen even though he's an upperclassmen.
251 yards
2.17 TD
1.00 INT
68% COMP
I would give Allen the edge just looking at passing but Knight's running makes up the difference.
I know there is a lot more that goes in to wins and losses than how the QB does, but QBs are judged on Ws more than anyone else. Allen went 6-5 vs power 5 teams at A&M. Knight went 10-4 at OU & A&M. I know not the best measure with the different SOS of the SEC vs Big 12, but this is just another chink in Allen's 5 star armor.
I won't declare anyone wrong or right for picking Knight or Allen because I think its that close. I leave Murray out intentionally because you'd have to be out of ya damn mind to include him in this conversation.
Based on the #s Allen was never great. He never lived up to the 5 star ranking. When I watched him play, he isn't physically gifted like the top tier QBs. Then again neither is Knight.
Here are Allen's career per game #s.
176.6 yards
1.65 TDs
0.70 INTs
58.5% COMP
But the excuse is he played hurt or was a freshman or something.
So lets look at his top 6 games vs power 5 teams out of the 20 he played in.
281 yards
2.83 TD
0.67 INT
65% COMP
That looks fairly similar to Knight who only has a few more games than Allen even though he's an upperclassmen.
251 yards
2.17 TD
1.00 INT
68% COMP
I would give Allen the edge just looking at passing but Knight's running makes up the difference.
I know there is a lot more that goes in to wins and losses than how the QB does, but QBs are judged on Ws more than anyone else. Allen went 6-5 vs power 5 teams at A&M. Knight went 10-4 at OU & A&M. I know not the best measure with the different SOS of the SEC vs Big 12, but this is just another chink in Allen's 5 star armor.
I won't declare anyone wrong or right for picking Knight or Allen because I think its that close. I leave Murray out intentionally because you'd have to be out of ya damn mind to include him in this conversation.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 10:20 pm to Farmer1906
Allen is by far the better QB. Its not even close.
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Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:04 pm to Farmer1906
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I leave Murray out intentionally because you'd have to be out of ya damn mind to include him in this conversation.
Word.
Dude will never see the field at Okie. It was a spite transfer, pure and simple, probably orchestrated by daddy.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:11 pm to KaiserSoze99
He should have gone to Houston. He looks like he could be a Greg ward clone.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:10 am to WestCoastAg
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We would absolutely be better off with Allen
Allen is a better QB if you have a good OL that will create a solid pocket to give him time to make his throws. I don't know if we would have had that this season for him if he would have stayed. Allen's release was slower than Knights and he lacked the same ability to scramble for tough yards, so even if he was more accurate and had a better arm he might have done worse for us this season.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:23 am to cardboardboxer
This whole discussion is just plain silly
No one knows how Allen would be performing here right now, he was psychologically shaken and know one can know if he would of overcome that
And Trevor Knight keeps getting called a 4tth year starter when in fact he only started one season. His heisman candidacy year and cotton bowl mvp was the only year he started and that was as a red shirt freshman. That's it. This is his second year being a starting qb and its after a psychological hurdle of being passed over for another qb (like Kyle Allen) and after sitting on the bench a full year.
No one knows how Allen would be performing here right now, he was psychologically shaken and know one can know if he would of overcome that
And Trevor Knight keeps getting called a 4tth year starter when in fact he only started one season. His heisman candidacy year and cotton bowl mvp was the only year he started and that was as a red shirt freshman. That's it. This is his second year being a starting qb and its after a psychological hurdle of being passed over for another qb (like Kyle Allen) and after sitting on the bench a full year.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 7:25 am
Posted on 9/7/16 at 8:06 am to Old Sarge
Trevor was never a Heisman candidate and he started multiple games in 2013 and 2014, so this isn't just his 2nd year as a starter.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 8:12 am to cardboardboxer
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Allen is a better QB if you have a good OL that will create a solid pocket to give him time to make his throws. I don't know if we would have had that this season for him if he would have stayed. Allen's release was slower than Knights and he lacked the same ability to scramble for tough yards, so even if he was more accurate and had a better arm he might have done worse for us this season.
This is a very valid point that I think is true as well. Allen is much better suited for a true pro style offense instead of what we are running. He would kill it at a Stanford. I'm interested to see how he does at UH in that spread offense but I don't think quick timing routes are a strength of his
Posted on 9/7/16 at 8:15 am to NanosTacoRun
knight does have plenty of starts under his belt. i think he may be just the seasoned team leader we need this year. we have a solid squad in place.
i was suprised by our oline and if that group can keep growing as the season goes we might be looking at a ten win season. knight does help our oline more.
whether allen would be better for us than knight is a good question, he certainly has the talent to be better. i'm not sure he would be a better fit for us right now.
i was suprised by our oline and if that group can keep growing as the season goes we might be looking at a ten win season. knight does help our oline more.
whether allen would be better for us than knight is a good question, he certainly has the talent to be better. i'm not sure he would be a better fit for us right now.
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