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re: Alabama grants release to DB Marcus Smith, pending SEC waiver ruling

Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:43 pm to
I don't think he's off base for asking for a waiver, and I don't think Saban is (was) off base for declining to grant it. I think it's a rule, and if an exception is to be made, it's up the the kid to make the case.

It's all moot now, I suppose. The news cycle will turn our attention to the next Kardashian tweet.
Posted by RD Dawg
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:45 pm to
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One or two? Based on what?



Im assuming the SEC is the only conference in P5 that has rules against grad transfers in conference.Doesn't seem to be an issue in the Big 10,Big12,ACC or PAC 12.

Why,all of a sudden will it be an issue in the SEC?
Posted by bamawriter
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:49 pm to
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They allow for the major not offered and if his scholarship was not renewed, both of these he has fulfilled


I think Bama did renew his GiA. I think Smith refused to sign it because he wanted to transfer.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:50 pm to
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I think Bama did renew his


it was eventually not renewed


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I think Smith refused to sign it because he wanted to transfer.



doesnt matter
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:52 pm to
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Im assuming the SEC is the only conference in P5 that has rules against grad transfers in conference.


there isnt a rule against "grad transfers", they dont make a distinction when it comes to transfers within the conference.

Posted by Chili Dawg
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:53 pm to
Didn't a kid transfer like this from Ole Miss to Bama this year?
Posted by bamawriter
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:55 pm to
Then I think you wanted an "or" in your sentence, rather than an "and".
Posted by JETigER
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:55 pm to
Bama's all out attack mode finally backfired.

Deaderick all out attack mode on Jordan Jefferson by doing illegal acts of spearing didn't backfire.

But calling a code red on a kids locker backfired.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:57 pm to
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Then I think you wanted an "or" in your sentence, rather than an "and".


he needed both.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:58 pm to
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Chris Black also asked for it mid-season in 2015. Smith did this in mid-June of 2016, aproximately a month and a half before Fall Camp.



You guys need to get your story straight, then, because earlier in this thread Alabama fans were saying they were angling for a release last November. Even gave a link talking about the e-mails, etc.
Posted by bamawriter
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:59 pm to
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he needed both.


But if him simply not agreeing to the renewal caused it to be voided, then it didn't matter if the school offered the renewal.
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:00 pm to
Yup but it was a kicker who walked on. He's not on scholarship...
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:01 pm to
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But if him simply not agreeing to the renewal caused it to be voided


Him not signing the renewal doesnt matter. The school can renew either way(per what I read the other day)
Posted by bamawriter
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:05 pm to
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The school can renew either way


There may be some changes from when I was in school, but scholarship athletes had to sign the GiA paperwork every year. It ups their legal agreements and allows the school to include them in insurance policies. Without that signature, the GiA for the new year did not go into effect.

But I've been out of school for more than a decade, so things may have changed.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:05 pm to
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The news cycle will turn our attention to the next Kardashian tweet.


Now that's just rude. NOBODY should wish the Kardashians on anybody else.
Posted by RD Dawg
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:07 pm to
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there isnt a rule against "grad transfers", they dont make a distinction when it comes to transfers within the conference


So there is in fact a rule against grad transfers.
Since they don't include grads.

Can you freaking get any more anal?
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:12 pm to
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So there is in fact a rule against grad transfers.
Since they don't include grads.
well its the same rule for undergrads as well. They dont specifically call out grads, where the NCAA does(and allows). I'd say there is a difference
Posted by RD Dawg
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:27 pm to
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well its the same rule


Never said it wasn't but WGAS!!

The point is about grad trasfers causing issues in other confrences and there really doesn't seem to be some type of wholesale free agency or poaching going on.
Posted by LSU0358
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:28 pm to
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Either hold to policy or don't. If you're going to cave, don't wait until the kid and his mom drag you through the mud.


This. Saban typically puts together the best recruiting class in the country, but that isn't always a given.

This whole thing was a great big PR fail.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:31 pm to
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The point is about grad trasfers causing issues in other confrences and there really doesn't seem to be some type of wholesale free agency or poaching going on.


You really only see it with coaching changes
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