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re: The best estimate for OM's penalties I have seen thus far....
Posted on 7/22/16 at 4:50 pm to DistrictDawg
Posted on 7/22/16 at 4:50 pm to DistrictDawg
quote:Bottom line:
You made a very important point. Ole Miss fans don't realize that it's not all about the severity of each allegation. What is very important to the NCAA is how well do you cooperate and who was involved in the allegations. On top of the 8 level 1 allegations, they continuously lied to anyone who would listen about the NOA. While people can claim that the NCAA is not consistent, no one can claim that they aren't consistent on punishing the ones who lie. Lying to the NCAA or public can be just as bad as the allegations themselves when the COI is considering everything. And while there were only $16,000 in improper benefits, the involved 8 boosters, the head coach, 4 current assistant coaches and 2 former assistant coaches as well as a former GA. Then you throw in the draft night texts between tunsil and 2 assistant AD's and it looks really bad. In total that's EIGHTEEN boosters and staffers involved in this thing.
While the NCAA didn't uncover all the money involved, they did uncover most of the hands that the money touches, and that is just as bad. This isn't a one time rouge coach or booster thing. This is an orchestrated effort by boosters, members of the coaching staff and members of the athletic department to blatantly cheat. It's enough to frick them. And they are going to get fricked.
Does the institution monitor the actions of their coaching staff?
Does the institution monitor the recruiting activities of their coaches as they relate to interaction with recruits?
Does the Compliance Dept monitor the activities of the coaching staff and outsiders that could "possibly" be considered "Boosters" according to NCAA guidelines of a booster?
Does the Compliance Dept monitor the living arrangements, automobile ownership, etc. of their current/active student-athletes?
When the institution finds a staff member has broken NCAA rules do they take swift action to remove the staff member while also educating and training the remaining staff on how to operate within compliance?
When it is revealed that an infraction has taken place and the NCAA reprimands the institution and punishes the student-athlete, does the institution take stringent methods to monitor the student-athletes activities so that the same exact infraction doesn't occur again?
Does the Institution foster an atmosphere of Compliance?
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 4:53 pm
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 4:53 pm to beth(beth(omega))
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Facts around Hughes:
He hasn't held season football tickets since 2009.
He is an FCA leader/mentor for kids in the Memphis area, particularly at East High School.
He had never been involved with recruits for us before, other than these few that he knew at the specific high school where he helps out.
He took kids to Auburn, Arkansas State, and other schools, not just Ole Miss.
Hughes's relationship with Harris and Freeze started when Harris and Freeze were at Arkansas State recruiting Moore and a couple others to play at Arkansas State. They were using Hughes (not an Arkansas State booster) as a mentor contact point BEFORE they got the Ole Miss job. The only thing that changed was that THEY moved to a school where Hughes had attended and where he had held season tickets at one point years before.
And last but not least, the one kid that he was a mentor for that we landed was Herbert Moore, a 2 star reserve defensive tackle that we would've had no need whatsoever to cheat to get. He was coming the minute he got an offer from Ole Miss
Oh well shite, you should expect an apology letter from the NCAA for the misunderstanding.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 4:58 pm to beth(beth(omega))
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Facts around Hughes:
He hasn't held season football tickets since 2009.
He is an FCA leader/mentor for kids in the Memphis area, particularly at East High School.
He had never been involved with recruits for us before, other than these few that he knew at the specific high school where he helps out.
He took kids to Auburn, Arkansas State, and other schools, not just Ole Miss.
Hughes's relationship with Harris and Freeze started when Harris and Freeze were at Arkansas State recruiting Moore and a couple others to play at Arkansas State. They were using Hughes (not an Arkansas State booster) as a mentor contact point BEFORE they got the Ole Miss job. The only thing that changed was that THEY moved to a school where Hughes had attended and where he had held season tickets at one point years before.
And last but not least, the one kid that he was a mentor for that we landed was Herbert Moore, a 2 star reserve defensive tackle that we would've had no need whatsoever to cheat to get. He was coming the minute he got an offer from Ole Miss
quote:Beth, don't you think that Ole Miss explained the relationship of Hughes to the NCAA during the active investigation? And, if OM explained his prior relationships with Harris and Freeze and his FCA affiliation then why the hell didn't they just omit anything related to Hughes in the NOA and let it slide, rather than impose a LEVEL I infraction?
That one will be a Level 2 or potentially even a Level 3 violation by the time all is said and done. There will be no scholarship reductions or show causes from that.
This investigation was going on for a long, long while and tons of man hours were expended by the NCAA and OleMiss. I'm sure that details of Hughes FCA "mentoring" were covered in the extensive investigation.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 7/22/16 at 5:07 pm to DistrictDawg
I sure hope those estimates are way high.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 5:17 pm to RT1941
The NCAA isn't a monolith. The people who write up the NOA are basically the prosecutors. They have the goal of fricking your shite up as much as they can.
The COI is basically the jury. They have the job of weighing the prosecution and the defense and discerning the truth.
People seem to think of the investigators as the judge and jury, the NOA as the verdict, and the COI as some kind of combination sentencing hearing/appeals court. That's just simply not the case.
The COI is basically the jury. They have the job of weighing the prosecution and the defense and discerning the truth.
People seem to think of the investigators as the judge and jury, the NOA as the verdict, and the COI as some kind of combination sentencing hearing/appeals court. That's just simply not the case.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 5:40 pm to Cdawg
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And last but not least, the one kid that he was a mentor for that we landed was Herbert Moore, a 2 star reserve defensive tackle that we would've had no need whatsoever to cheat to get. He was coming the minute he got an offer from Ole Miss
The NCAA does not care one bit what star rating the recruit in question has. He is by every definition- a booster. Boosters and Coaches cannot visit recruits. That is about as bad as anything you can do according to the NCAA
Posted on 7/22/16 at 5:48 pm to CoonassBulldog
I always say, it's not a violation unless they're at least a 4 star.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:11 pm to RT1941
Did you see the article in the Clarion Ledger today about Ole Miss' exemplary cooperation?
And Steve Robertson at Moo State didn't even know that EC even existed.
And Steve Robertson at Moo State didn't even know that EC even existed.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:16 pm to CoonassBulldog
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CoonassBulldog
10 days without posting and you show up in an Ole Miss penalty thread.
Never change.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:18 pm to pankReb
After losing a permaban bet. And a job. And a wife. And his 5$ left in his wallet.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:20 pm to hehatedrew
Get him
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:22 pm to fillmoregandt
Don't even have to. Life has gotten him, and life's not easy...
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:24 pm to hehatedrew
actually....life can be fairly easy.
Just makes for one hell of an accomplishment when you frick it up.
This is one of those cases.
Just makes for one hell of an accomplishment when you frick it up.
This is one of those cases.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:24 pm to hehatedrew
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After losing a permaban bet. And a job. And a wife. And his 5$ left in his wallet.
Come watch me coach this Fall. Friday nights are special. God bless your special ed self. Keep pushing that crayon
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:26 pm to CoonassBulldog
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Come watch me coach this Fall. Friday nights are special. God bless your special ed self. Keep pushing that crayon
Self-proclaimed football hero, you are.
No one cares to watch you scratch your nuts on the sidelines on a friday night. High School football is pretty terrible for the most part.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:28 pm to CoonassBulldog
Friday nights are special for some. To others, we make real money during the actual work week. You will get your $33 dollars coaching kemper county as a "d line coach" while you push a highlighter across a white board as you "coach" those young fellas. You keep fighting the good fight, "coach".
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:44 pm to Cdawg
But Jackie really is scum...Hugh Freeze is a good man with great character...you cant compare those 2
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:44 am to hehatedrew
I don't know the guy or anything about him other than what has been posted here, but in all fairness, he has to be a pretty decent coach if SP was willing to hire him. Football is all they do there.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:49 am to El Batnaros
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Hugh Freeze is a good man with great character
Posted on 7/23/16 at 2:05 am to Dalosaqy
Freeze will be back coaching Hs soon.
A long dark decade for OM lies ahead.
A long dark decade for OM lies ahead.
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