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The best estimate for OM's penalties I have seen thus far....

Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:52 pm
Posted by DistrictDawg
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:52 pm
Stolen from Elitedawgs, I know the source is biased, but the estimations are not. They are very well thought out and fair as well as supported by facts from previous NCAA cases.


" Originally Posted by DeviousDawg
When you really look into the NOA and compare it to previous NCAA investigations, Ole Miss's self imposed sanctions are a joke. The actual sanctions should atleast double the self imposed sanctions.

When looking through the NOA, it really breaks into 4 parts, the Tunsil stuff (allegations 1-4), the Kiffin stuff (alegations 5-7), the Walter Hughes stuff (allegation and the ACT stuff (allegations 10-13). Allegation 9 was a BS level III violation involving recruiting videos. The fairest way to estimate OM's sanctions would be to treat each of the 4 parts as separate investigations and add the results from each.

Part 1: Tunsil

We can compare Tunsil's allegations to our own with Redmond. We gave Redmond a $2500 discount on a vehicle. We got 4 schollies over 2 years and 2 year probation, Mirando recieved a 1 year show cause. It should also be considered that we self reported all of this and cooperately fully with the NCAA who accepted our self imposed sanctions

Ole Miss is accused of giving Tunsil $7,495 worth of free car loans in allegation #1. Allegation #2 is really just an extension of #1, it says that after Tunsil was caught using free cars, he did it again, and Ole Miss failed to monitor whether he was continuing to do it. This isn't good for them because while #2 is only a level II violation, it will most certainly make #1 become an aggravated Level I violation. Allegation #3 is a booster giving Miller $800. #4 involves free lodging and stuff for tunsils family worth $2,253. So that's a total of $10,548 worth of inducements to Tunsil and fam as well as a failure to monitor.

When compared to our 4 schollies and 2 years of probation, OM's allegations 1-4 should be worth atleast double but probably triple what we got for Redmonds stuff.

Conservative guess for allegations 1-4:

8-12 scholarships
3 years probation
1 year bowl ban



Part 2: Kiffin

These allegations aren't too serious. There were 2 level III allegations, one for talking to a recruit during spring evaluation period, one for letting a recruit stay at his house. There was also one level II allegation which involved Kiffin setting up lodging, transportation and meals for family friends of a recruit, the monitary total of the inducements was worth $1027.

Conservative guess for allegation 5-7:

1-2 scholarships
possible 1 year show cause for Kiffin but most likely a suspension of some sort.


Part 3: Walter Hughes

This one could go so many different ways. There are 16 sub violations in the Level I allegation #8. All involve OM disassociated booster Walter Hughes and recruiting inducements. Three assistant coaches (Harris, Kiffin, and Matt Luke) and Hugh Freeze are listed in this allegation. All are said to have been contacted by Hughes while knowingly committing NCAA recruiting violations. So throw ignorance on OM's part of the window for this violation, which is never good.

The total monitary value for allegation #8 was $2,250. It involved 4 current coaches, 3 recruits and one booster. If we got 4 scholarships for $2,500 worth of inducements to Redmond, involving 1 coach, 1 recruit and 1 booster with exemplary cooperation on our part, then you would have to put the lowest amount of scholarships docked for this allegation at 4.

Conservative guess for allegation 8:

4-8 scholarships
1-2 years probation
2 year show cause for Maurice Harris



Part 4: ACT scandal

Let's compare this to ULL's case, they are actually very similar. ULL had 4 level I violations, so did OM. The first one for each schools was about fixing ACT scores. ULL's involved one coach and 6 recruits. OM's involved 3 coaches and 3 recruits, one of which is still on staff in Derrick Nix, who put the recruits families in contact with Saunders and the Crager(sp?) lady to recieve free lodging, transportation and meals, similiar to Mirando's case. The second allegations for both schools involved improper inducements to recruits. ULL's was worth $6,500 while OM's was worth $1650. The last 2 allegations for both schools involved coaches lying to the NCAA during investigations, just Saunders for ULL; Saunders and Vaughn for OM.

The NCAA stated that ULL recieved the lowest possible penalties for their violations(11 scholarships over 3 years and 2 years of probation) because the University was unaware of Saunders actions and acted swiftly to fire him and self report as well as cooperate fully with the NCAA. Well, Ole Miss can't really say the same because Nix is STILL ON STAFF. There's a reason Ole Miss is fighting Nix's involvement, but they aren't going to win it. All of this leads me to believe that, if ULL recieved the lowest possible penalties that OM would atleast have to get 11 schollies for the ACT allegations.

Conservative guess for allegations 10-13:

11-14 scholarships
1-2 year show cause for Nix
8 year show cause for Vaughn
1 year bowl ban



Adding all 4 parts together for a final estimate:

24-36 scholarships
4 years of probation
2 year bowl ban
Show Causes for: Nix and Harris
Suspensions for: Kiffin, Freeze, and Matt Luke


Seems harsh, but when you really break it down into it's components I think that is a well educated and fair estimate."


Long story short: Ole Miss is fricked. Even if a second NOA with the Draft Night stuff never surfaces, these penalties alone will cripple Ole Miss's program for at least a decade. I hope the Sugar Bowl win was worth it!
Posted by DocHoliday11
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:54 pm to
You feel better now?
Posted by Quicksilver
Poker Room
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:56 pm to
tl;dr
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:56 pm to
Here we go
Posted by Larry
Collierville, TN
Member since Jul 2004
5454 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:56 pm to
Would State fans rather

Go 2-10 and Ole Miss gets absolutely hammered

Go 7-5 and Ole Miss gets minimal to some additional sanctions

Win SEC West but Ole Miss walks away from this unscathed and Freezus continues pulling in inexplicable top classes.

Posted by DistrictDawg
Starkvegas
Member since Oct 2014
236 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:56 pm to
Do you feel worse?

You probably didn't even actually read it, and if you did, you definitely didn't read it with an objective stance. It's fair and probably very close to what yall well get.
Posted by blacknblu
Member since Nov 2011
10276 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

You feel better now?

Oh, come on. It's a hell of a lot better than those threads tj (whatever the frick his name is) was starting yesterday. Granted, he just copied and pasted it from another site, but baby steps, you know?
Posted by GatorReb
Dallas GA
Member since Feb 2009
9280 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

Elitedawgs


quote:

biased


quote:

estimations are not


Haha ok.

quote:

Conservative guess for allegations 1-4:



Lol
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37472 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:57 pm to
quote:


24-36 scholarships
4 years of probation
2 year bowl ban



That's basically a death penalty. They would never recover from that
Posted by hawgfaninc
https://youtu.be/torc9P4-k5A
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

Ole Miss is fricked. Even if a second NOA with the Draft Night stuff never surfaces, these penalties alone will cripple Ole Miss's program for at least a decade

I'll allow it
Posted by LandBearShark
Member since Sep 2012
446 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:58 pm to
God what a bunch of dumb fricks.
Posted by GatorReb
Dallas GA
Member since Feb 2009
9280 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:58 pm to
So you're on the record saying that we will get something close to this?

quote:

24-36 scholarships
4 years of probation
2 year bowl ban
Show Causes for: Nix and Harris
Suspensions for: Kiffin, Freeze, and Matt Luke



Oh you poor poor dog. How disappointed you will be.
Posted by Hardy_Har
MS
Member since Nov 2012
16285 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

Part 4: ACT scandal


This is why OM posters always scream "He won't qualify" about our recruits.

You don't see our players getting to the NFL and shitting on the organization. This is what OM got caught with, and I can't fathom what actually flew.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

24-36 scholarships
4 years of probation
2 year bowl ban
Show Causes for: Nix and Harris
Suspensions for: Kiffin, Freeze, and Matt Luke


I approve
Posted by Hardy_Har
MS
Member since Nov 2012
16285 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

Win SEC West but Ole Miss walks away from this unscathed and Freezus continues pulling in inexplicable top classes.


Obviously
Posted by DocHoliday11
South Georgia
Member since Jun 2013
4313 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:01 pm to
Do I feel worse because a random person quoted elite dawgs then did the "nana-nana boo boo" emoji? No because I'm an adult

Posted by DistrictDawg
Starkvegas
Member since Oct 2014
236 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:01 pm to
Option #3 first, winning the west would be huge for us obviously

Option #1 second, I'll sacrifice one shitty season for yall getting hammered. We already have a talented roster and would pull any recruit from Mississippi we wanted for the next 5 years.

Option #2 last, 7-5 is nothing to exactly be that excited about in the first place.


You're trying to deflect the actual issue though, yall are going to get hammered.
Posted by Aggie Fishfinder
Republic of Texas
Member since Feb 2012
4260 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:01 pm to
Doubt it. NCAA will give Ole Miss the Hillary treatment.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:02 pm to
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15375 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:02 pm to
IF the NCAA believes the Facebook and text messages prove that Ole Miss was actually directing payments to players and their families I absolutely believe that could be the penalty.
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