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Egyptian Air plane disappears
Posted on 5/18/16 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 5/18/16 at 10:51 pm
It's 2016. How does a plane disappear?
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An informed source at EGYPTAIR stated that Flight No. MS804, which departed Paris at 23:09 (CEST), heading to Cairo has disappeared from radar,” the airline said on its Twitter.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 10:58 pm to parrothead
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It's 2016. How does a plane disappear?
because the only ATC equipment that has been upgraded in 50 years is the computer monitors.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 11:28 pm to The_Joker
Saying it happened just after it crossed into Egyptian airspace.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 11:32 pm to The_Joker
I agree. Technology exists to record all parameters of flight in real time with every jetliner on the globe in controlled and uncontrolled airspace.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 11:33 pm to Alahunter
My theory: some Islamic group we've been funding to fight ISIS high jacked and crashed or blew up the plane
Posted on 5/19/16 at 12:02 am to parrothead
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My theory: some Islamic group we've been funding to fight ISIS high jacked and crashed or blew up the plane
Or perhaps one of the goats that are allowed to board a third world, half assed airline like Egyptian Air finally chewed through the flight control wire bundle on final approach to Al Ali Fuq Mi Assad International Airport in Cairo.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:13 am to parrothead
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It's 2016. How does a plane disappear?
Aliens
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:11 am to parrothead
They're just saying it's disappeared from radar and haven't found it on the ground yet.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:48 am to PrivatePublic
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They're just saying it's disappeared from radar and haven't found it on the ground yet.
Greek search teams are finding debris in the Mediterranean.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 9:52 am to parrothead
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It's 2016. How does a plane disappear?
Simple. It impacts the water, breaks into a zillion pieces, and then mostly sinks.
Most ATC systems are passive, meaning they aren't out looking for airplanes. Instead, they rely on information they're getting from the plane's transponders. When the transponder goes off, the plane disappears from the screen - which is what happened with MH370.
The difference here is that MH370 disappeared over the Pacific, which is a bigass chunk of water with nothing in most of it. The Med is a small body of water surrounded by a lot of countries that neither like nor trust each other, so there are lots of active radars watching that airspace. Even then when it hits the water the track goes away but unlike MH370 they have a good idea where to start looking - which is why they found the rough location of this one so quickly.
No technology exists that would guarantee that the location of a plane would be known all the time. The best that could happen would be GPS transponders that can't be turned off from the cockpit (as happened with MH370) so that when one went down, you'd know where to start the search.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 10:46 am to five_fivesix
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Or perhaps one of the goats that are allowed to board a third world, half assed airline like Egyptian Air finally chewed through the flight control wire bundle on final approach to Al Ali Fuq Mi Assad International Airport in Cairo.
Or terrorists took over control and crashed it while trying to fly it to Shitstainistan. They realized that flying a plane is not like the training they had on Microsoft Flight Simulator 3.0 (from 1988).
Posted on 5/19/16 at 12:53 pm to alphaandomega
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Shitstainistan
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:55 pm to JustGetItRight
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The best that could happen would be GPS transponders that can't be turned off from the cockpit (as happened with MH370) so that when one went down, you'd know where to start the search.
I always thought that was a very strange move to turn off the transponders. I still think that plane is in Siberia in a hangar waiting to be used for something worse.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 3:20 pm to parrothead
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I always thought that was a very strange move to turn off the transponders. I still think that plane is in Siberia in a hangar waiting to be used for something worse.
I don't think it was anything that nefarious. I think it was nothing more than a suicidal pilot (could have been either pilot or co-pilot) that didn't want his act discovered. Turn off the transponder, disappear over the Pacific way off the scheduled route, and no CVR or flight data is ever found to tell what really happened.
Suicide by commercial aircraft isn't exactly unheard of:
Japan Airlines Flight 350, 1982
Pacific Southwest Flight 1771, 1987
EgyptAir Flight 990, 1991
Federal Express Flight 705, 1994
Royal Air Maroc Flight 630, 1994
SilkAir Flight 185, 1997
Mozambique Airlines Flight 470, 2013
GermanWings Flight 9525, 2015
This post was edited on 5/19/16 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 5/19/16 at 3:57 pm to parrothead
Not again
This post was edited on 5/19/16 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 5/19/16 at 9:13 pm to Reservoir dawg
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Technology exists to record all parameters of flight in real time with every jetliner on the globe in controlled and uncontrolled airspace.
You vastly overestimate the state of the world. I explain this to my kids all the time. Most of the world doesn't live like us. Most of the world is poverty stricken and poor. There are a few big industrialized nations but even of those only a handful live near the same standard that we do. What we have is very very rare yet even our air traffic control system is 30-40 years old in some cases. There's no way that these companies keep as good track of airplanes as you think they do. Without the USA, there wouldn't even be a GPS.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 10:48 pm to Landmass
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Without the USA, there wouldn't even be a GPS.
Fact. I wonder how reliant the Russians and Chinese have become to GPS? Maybe they haven't thrown away all their compasses and sextants.
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