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re: Why can't Auburn maintain success.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:58 am to Irons Puppet
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:58 am to Irons Puppet
quote:Besides Saban? You mean other FOUR football coaches that won national championships?
How has Bama been with their coaching hires besides Saban . Remember Rich Rod was Bama's first choice.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:01 am to AuburnPanic40
Define maintaining success.
What program besides Alabama has not had rebuilding or hiccup years? How many programs in the SEC can go more than two seasons without losing more than 3 games?
I would say that Auburn is in the middle of a very dark age but just so happened to have legendary-caliber quarterbacks that gave us some magical seasons. Gene Chizik destroyed Auburn's identity of having a tough defense. Malzahn didn't come in to fix it. I think Gus has a lot of potential, but as we saw last season, he wasn't equipped to adjust for poor quarterback play.
So when people say, "Why isn't Auburn maintaining success?" for the current era of Auburn football, I would respond with, "Just how in the world are we escaping utter failure over the past six seasons?"
What program besides Alabama has not had rebuilding or hiccup years? How many programs in the SEC can go more than two seasons without losing more than 3 games?
I would say that Auburn is in the middle of a very dark age but just so happened to have legendary-caliber quarterbacks that gave us some magical seasons. Gene Chizik destroyed Auburn's identity of having a tough defense. Malzahn didn't come in to fix it. I think Gus has a lot of potential, but as we saw last season, he wasn't equipped to adjust for poor quarterback play.
So when people say, "Why isn't Auburn maintaining success?" for the current era of Auburn football, I would respond with, "Just how in the world are we escaping utter failure over the past six seasons?"
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 10:02 am
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:01 am to AuburnPanic40
Auburn will never put a consistently good team together as long as they sell out to win big on occasion rather than building a solid total team. Their insecurity as little brother is only soothed by infrequent upsets of Alabama with gimmicks. This is not confidence building or satisfying in the long run but they refuse to accept it
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:02 am to Irons Puppet
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Selective memory
Not really
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The truth was Rich Rod was someone they wanted.
Yea.......he was our #2 choice behind Saban. Did I not say that above?
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You can not hide from the Shula, Price, Fran, Dubose and Curry hires.
Why would I hide from them? They were disasters for the most part. I don't really blame anyone for Shula, there were no other options. Price was a terrible fit, they should have known that from the minute they looked into his past. Fran was a decent hire at the outset it appeared, and he appeared to have things going in the right direction before bolting, but then it became obvious he was quite possibly the worst recruiter of all time. DuBose was a disaster.
What exactly is your point here? Our Athletic Department was a mess of good ole boy Bryant guys until Mal decided to get serious about fundraising and building facilities. At that point we started laying the foundation that allowed us to get Saban.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:04 am to Irons Puppet
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Remember Rich Rod was Bama's first choi
Spurrier
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:05 am to Aman
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Alabama dominated Auburn throughout the 90s. Bama was 7-3 against Auburn and won two SEC title games and a national championship. Bama had a predictable down period after Bear died and a self inflicted down period from 2000-2007. Auburn fans like to forget the 90s ever happened. Since Bear died all Auburn fans talk about is the 80s and Tub's 6 straight.
Alabama was better in the 90s yes but from Bear to Saban, Auburn was the overall better program for sure.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:05 am to StringedInstruments
How did Chizik destroy Auburn identity of having a tough defense when he was and is a good defensive coordinator? Maybe the things that transpired weren't as much his fault as people think.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:08 am to StringedInstruments
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Define maintaining success
One thing that just baffles me is that Auburn has never had back to back ten win seasons. As good as they are or have been, that is just unbelievable. Even the Pat Dye and Shug Jordan years.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:08 am to Iron Lion
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How did Chizik destroy Auburn identity of having a tough defense when he was and is a good defensive coordinator? Maybe the things that transpired weren't as much his fault as people think.
Who else is there to blame?
The difference in defensive identity between 2008 and 2009 alone is staggering. We went 5-7 in 2008 and because we had a stout defense, we were just a few points away from having a good season. Seriously. People like to reflect on 2008 as if it was just like 2012, but if you check the game logs, Auburn was in most games late in the 4th quarter.
Blaming Jacobs for making bad hires and contracts is one thing, but Chizik and company did the actual coaching. I'm not sure who else could be at fault.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:08 am to Iron Lion
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How did Chizik destroy Auburn identity of having a tough defense
Lack of talent/depth and Ted Roof.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:08 am to CrimsonShadow
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Auburn will never put a consistently good team together as long as they sell out to win big on occasion rather than building a solid total team
but how have we not built a solid total team? I haven't seen any areas that are deficient in recruiting? The problem is clearly in development and effectively utilizing the talent that is there.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:10 am to StringedInstruments
Has Auburn had a good defense with Malzahn on the staff or as head coach?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:10 am to Iron Lion
quote:I've consider this, and I'm sure AU fans have as well. Could it be that the offense AU implemented when hiring Chizik destroyed AU's defense?
How did Chizik destroy Auburn identity of having a tough defense when he was and is a good defensive coordinator? Maybe the things that transpired weren't as much his fault as people think.
I certainly don't know, but Gene Chizik is a fantastic defensive coach.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:12 am to RandySavage
quote:Well at least Auburn has that! Now what the frick is the plan for the here 'n now and into the future?
Alabama was better in the 90s yes but from Bear to Saban, Auburn was the overall better program for sure.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:13 am to RandySavage
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Alabama was better in the 90s yes but from Bear to Saban, Auburn was the overall better program for sure
Auburn was better in the 80's, Alabama better in the 90's Auburn better in the early-mid 2000s, Alabama better 2008 - 2015
Pretty simple
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:13 am to Iron Lion
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Has Auburn had a good defense with Malzahn on the staff or as head coach?
Not really and I think it was actually worse with him gone in 2012 and a bastardized pro-style offense.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:14 am to DuncanIdaho
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The problem is clearly in development and effectively utilizing the talent that is there.
I think that they whole practice being run and centered around a fast offense 100% has a detrimental effect on a defense developing.
When practice is geared towards working on running as many plays as possible as fast as possible and there is no time to stop and teach defensively it very much effects that side of the ball. From what I read Gus backed off on that last year as part of his deal with Muschamp, but sounds like he wants to return to it this year.
I just don't think, from reading football people who know what they are talking about, that you can practice at warp speed to prepare your offense and not suffer on the defensive side in terms of development and teaching.
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 10:15 am
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:14 am to DuncanIdaho
So no good defense since Tubbs and the one constant in those seasons, except one, is Malzahn
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:17 am to Iron Lion
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Has Auburn had a good defense with Malzahn on the staff or as head coach?
Why would Malzahn as an offensive coordinator affect the defense?
People like to shite on his scheme, but he's a run-first offense. Plenty of high-paced offenses have been complemented by good defenses. Oregon has had plenty of good defenses. Florida and Ohio State under Meyer as well.
And as mentioned already, Auburn switched to a pro style offense in 2012 and had the worst defense in SEC history.
Auburn in 2008 switched to the Tony Franklin NASCAR offense and still produced a top notch defense.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
But how do teams like Clemson who run a very similar offense manage to field good defenses?
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