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Croom owned Bama. Why didn't he succeed more at MSU?
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:47 pm
Seems like he was building a solid program. Why didn't he survive the first rough patch?
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Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:52 pm to stomp
Nothing prosperious can survive in Starkville, Mississippi unfortunately
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:56 pm to stomp
For once in his career, Ellis Johnson was the reason for a team's success.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:59 pm to stomp
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Croom owned Bama
He was 2-3 against Alabama. I wouldn't call that "owning."
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:59 pm to stomp
I guess you could say 2-3 is owning Alabama. That is far better than most manage....
Posted on 2/22/16 at 11:00 pm to stomp
Croom had one winning season out of five.
All five seasons his offense ranked above 100.
3-8, 3-8, 3-9, 8-5, 4-8 = 21-38
Never forget "The Maine"
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All five seasons his offense ranked above 100.
3-8, 3-8, 3-9, 8-5, 4-8 = 21-38
Never forget "The Maine"
/thread
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 11:08 pm to stomp
Mississippi State finished 8-5 in 2007 on the backs of a defense that finished the season ranked 21st in total defense. Meanwhile, the offense was a complete mess ranking #113 in total offense. Ellis Johnson was pissed off about the defense having to carry the entire load for the team to be successful. So he wanted Croom to fire the OC Woody McCorvey. So what does Croom decide to do? Not only does Croom decide to keep McCorvey, he persuades the Mississippi State AD to give him a raise. Johnson is fed up and leaves Mississippi State for South Carolina. And guess what happens? The offense is still horrible while the defense takes a step back due to being on the field all the time and Croom gets canned. With decisions like that, no wonder Croom has never advanced past a NFL RB coaches job after leaving Mississippi State.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 11:34 pm to stomp
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Why didn't he survive the first rough patch?
His entire tenure was a rough patch minus the one eight win season. It was obvious the team had quit on him in his last Egg Bowl. They made the right move getting rid of him.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:28 am to stomp
His refusal to hire a good offensive coordinator did him in. If he had done that he would have been fairly successful.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 7:20 am to stomp
C'mon now.
Would Croom "own" Bama if Saban was there at the same time?
Totally different animal.
Would Croom "own" Bama if Saban was there at the same time?
Totally different animal.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 7:30 am to stomp
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Croom owned Bama. Why didn't he succeed more at MSU?(Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:47 pm)
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Seems like he was building a solid program. Why didn't he survive the first rough patch?
Croom didn't own Bama. He was competetive and pulled off a couple wins against Bama teams with comparable talent when the sanctions were hitting us the hardest but he didn't own anything.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 7:51 am to stomp
After the 3-2 Auburn game, he said something to the effect of "our defense just didn't make enough plays."
Posted on 2/23/16 at 8:33 am to stomp
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Seems like he was building a solid program. Why didn't he survive the first rough patch?
Are you high?
As bad as State has been in their history of football, the Croom era was the worst. Maybe a mid 60's run in Diamondawgs' days is up there.
<---to DD. think about that for a moment.
Croom looked forward to the Bama game only And let it be known. Those State teams fed off that. You could tell how they played against Bama. We're just lucky those two games came at the end of Shula and early Saban.
I could go on and on about his coaching, his recruiting, he field decisions, his preparations, and on and on. For someone with an NFL offensive background, it was downright dreadful. Square peg round hole game after game. Ellis Johnson saved his arse. He was so out of his element with recruiting.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:21 am to stomp
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Croom owned Shula.
fixed.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:02 pm to stomp
Typical drive under Croom:
- get a delay of game
- run up the middle for 2 yards. 2-13
- call a timeout
- get a delay of game out of the time out
- run a play action pass. Incomplete.
- 3-18, run a draw for three yards
- punt on 4th and 15
- rinse and repeat
- get a delay of game
- run up the middle for 2 yards. 2-13
- call a timeout
- get a delay of game out of the time out
- run a play action pass. Incomplete.
- 3-18, run a draw for three yards
- punt on 4th and 15
- rinse and repeat
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:13 pm to stomp
He wasn't experienced at the college level and was arrogant. He also bought in to all of the rhetoric about how bad the MSU team was that he inherited and how it would be a minor miracle to ever win there. He finally realized how important recruiting was in the end and left a very good class in place for Mullen but it was too little too late. I actually felt bad for the guy watching his last eggbowl. That was brutal.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:26 pm to stomp
He was a good dude but didn't have the energy or the offensive know how to get it done, and never would have. He did recruit some very good players on defense and they were very physical. Those guys punished bama players in that '07 game.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:30 pm to stomp
My guess is that he's too moral of a guy and not willing to break as many rules as the next guy.
It's like good men in politics... they -never- win.
It's like good men in politics... they -never- win.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:52 pm to stomp
The defense that year was stout, and had an abnormally high number of pick 6s and fumble returns for TDs.
We lost a game late in the year - I think Arkansas, and he blamed the defense for not scoring a touchdown.
In the bowl game against Central Florida, Wesley Carroll ignored the calls from the sideline to lead us to a winning drive and was put in the doghouse and ended up transferring to Florida International after leading an SEC team to an 8-5 record as a true freshman.
We lost a game late in the year - I think Arkansas, and he blamed the defense for not scoring a touchdown.
In the bowl game against Central Florida, Wesley Carroll ignored the calls from the sideline to lead us to a winning drive and was put in the doghouse and ended up transferring to Florida International after leading an SEC team to an 8-5 record as a true freshman.
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