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re: The greatest dynasty in college football history, not close
Posted on 1/13/16 at 8:28 am to Sid E Walker
Posted on 1/13/16 at 8:28 am to Sid E Walker
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I will therefore raise my level of contentment to unprecedented heights so that I can somehow subliminally impart that contentment to those that are less fortunate.
While you are subliminally imparting contentment, please withhold anything related to our sisters and cousins...
Posted on 1/13/16 at 9:06 am to Kilgore Trout
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You're only 11 natties behind Yale.
Now go back and look at those 19th century Ivy League titles and apply the same criteria tRant uses to pick apart Alabama's old title claims. Yeah some of those 3-1 title teams were absolute powerhouses.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 9:14 am to IAmReality
Nebraska in '70s, '90s
Oklahoma in '50s, 70s, 00s
Army in '40s
Notre Dame in '40s, 50s, 70s
LSU in '30s, late 50s/early '60s, late 2000s/early 2010s
Ole Miss, late '50s/early '60s
Florida State '90s
Miami '00s
USC '70s, Mid '00s
Ohio State late 60s, 00s
Michigan
Texas
Susquehanna Valley A T & T '10s
Oklahoma in '50s, 70s, 00s
Army in '40s
Notre Dame in '40s, 50s, 70s
LSU in '30s, late 50s/early '60s, late 2000s/early 2010s
Ole Miss, late '50s/early '60s
Florida State '90s
Miami '00s
USC '70s, Mid '00s
Ohio State late 60s, 00s
Michigan
Texas
Susquehanna Valley A T & T '10s
Posted on 1/13/16 at 9:17 am to rmn9799
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My bad. I thought we were talking about rankings that matter, but congrats on starting the season ranked #3 before finishing 3-8.
You're right, because being ranked in the top 5 after beating a cupcake in week 1 is way more impressive. Or being ranked #1 after beating a bunch of Boston Colleges and Wake Forests.
This post was edited on 1/13/16 at 9:18 am
Posted on 1/13/16 at 9:17 am to Sid E Walker
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My only regret is that fans of other teams will never know the contentment of being a Bama fan
Consider this, if Ole Miss were to win a national championship, the joy their fans would feel would trump the joy your fans felt with 4 titles in 7 years. Due to your success, you feel stonger pain when you lose and less joy when you win. When you win, you merely feel content (your words). To me, that is kind of sad.
Now that being said, I hope I one day get to see how it feels to have 4 titles lol.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 9:18 am to MetryTyger
Most of those aren't even in the same universe
Posted on 1/13/16 at 9:35 am to IAmReality
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Bama has also played way, way harder opposition. Count the number of games vs. top 5 teams by both over those 8 years.
Not really. In fact, the difference isn't that great at all.
Nebraska was in the Big 8 until 1996. That's two seasons without having the opportunity to play in a conference championship (potential top 5 opponent). Alabama also gets an "extra" top 5 opponent by playing Michigan State in this year's Playoffs.
ALABAMA: 16
2008: 2 (Georgia, Florida)
2009: 2 (Florida, Texas)
2010: 1 (Auburn)
2011: 2 (LSU, LSU)
2012: 3 (LSU, Georgia, Notre Dame)
2013: 1 (Auburn)
2014: 2 (Mississippi State, Ohio State)
2015: 3 (LSU, Michigan State, Clemson)
NEBRASKA: 13
1994: 2 (Colorado, Miami)
1995: 1 (Florida)
1996: 1 (Colorado)
1997: 2 (Washington, Tennessee)
1998: 2 (Kansas State, Arizona)
1999: 2 (Kansas State, Tennessee)
2000: 1 (Oklahoma)
2001: 2 (Oklahoma , Miami)
This post was edited on 1/13/16 at 10:02 am
Posted on 1/13/16 at 9:35 am to Sid E Walker
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Bowden's run might just edge out Saban's for consistency
No, not really. In fact, Bowden's run doesn't even exceed Nebraska's Tom Osborne or Penn State's JoePa. The problem with history is that no one remembers it and everyone revisions it to suit themselves.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 9:38 am to americanrealism
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Now go back and look at those 19th century Ivy League titles and apply the same criteria tRant uses to pick apart Alabama's old title claims. Yeah some of those 3-1 title teams were absolute powerhouses.
You really should educate yourself on early years football. As an Alabama fan, you do yourself a disservice to remain in the dark.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 9:39 am to Champagne
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remember back when people were saying that Saban at Alabama was nothing to be worried about. I laughed then when they said that and I'm laughing now.
Remember that like it was yesterday. First it was he will never go to Alabama, then it was no big deal because he would have to split recruits with, wait for it,,, Tommy Tuberville.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 9:42 am to CrimsonTideMD
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Both of Neylands terms in Knoxville were legendary.
Not impressed because he couldn't win bowl games.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 9:43 am to TheRaid
quote:What you mean when there were only a handful of teams in the northeast, the rest of the country hadn't even HEARD of the game, the point system was totally different, field goals were worth more than touchdowns, and the forward pass didn't exist?
You really should educate yourself on early years football. As an Alabama fan, you do yourself a disservice to remain in the dark.
There's a reason those years aren't highly regarded by any main historical/media service. It was quite literally a different game
Posted on 1/13/16 at 9:58 am to CCTider
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I'd respect FSU's run, if they hadn't pussed out of joining the SEC. Bowden even said he didn't want to have to play the tougher competition. Avoiding elite teams drops them a few points.
While he certainly said that, I'm not so sure he already had it tougher. While the ACC was weak, playing Florida and Miami every season made his schedules on par with any SEC schedule. Especially when you consider they also often played other top tier OOC games
These are REGULAR SEASON games only (Final AP Rankings):
1987: #1 Miami, #7 Auburn, #8 Michigan State
1988: #2 Miami, #9 Clemson
1989: #1 Miami, #6 Auburn, #12 Clemson
1990: #3 Miami, #13 Florida
1991: #1 Miami, #6 Michigan, #7 Florida, #11 Syracuse, #23 BYU
1992: #3 Miami, #10 Florida, #17 NC State, #19 N. Carolina, #25 Wake Forest
1993: #2 Notre Dame, #5 Florida, #15 Miami, #19 N. Carolina, #23 Clemson
1994: #6 Miami, #7 Florida, #15 Virginia, #17 NC State
1995: #2 Florida, #16 Virginia, #20 Miami
1996: #1 Florida, #10 N. Carolina, #14 Miami
1997: #4 Florida, #6 N. Carolina, #25 Georgia Tech
1998: #5 Florida, #9 Georgia Tech, #11 Texas A&M, #18 Virginia, #20 Miami
1999: #12 Florida, #15 Miami, #20 Georgia Tech
2000: #2 Miami, #10 Florida, #16 Clemson, #17 Georgia Tech
That's 50 Top 25 opponents during a 14-year stretch...That's 26 Top 10 opponents during a 14-year streatch... all played during the regular season. That includes playing 4 National Champions during the regular season alone.
If you throw in bowl games, during this 14-year stretch, Florida State won the National Title twice.... but also played 7 games against opponents who won the National Title. And they played another 6 games against teams that either finished #2 in the polls or played in the National Title Game.
Another stat: From 1987-2000, Florida State played the SEC Champion 12 times. That's 12 SEC Champions on their schedule during just a 14-year period. Florida State was 7-4-1 in those games.
I would venture to say there isn't a single SEC program that played that many top tier teams... especially during the regular season... during that time period. And maybe even ever.
And after all that, Florida State finished in the Top 5 every single season during that stretch.
From a Championship perspective, it falls short of Bama's current run. But I do find Florida State's run from '87-'00 to be the more impressive run all together.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 10:20 am to BHMKyle
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But I do find Florida State's run from '87-'00 to be the more impressive run all together.
It is very impressive and nothing to scoff at, but it reminds me of the Braves in the 90's.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 10:31 am to BHMKyle
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Not one other program aside from Alabama has been rated in even 94% of the poll releases from 2008-2015. Oklahoma is next at 93.1%... but Bama has only played Oklahoma one time during this time period. LSU is 3rd at 92%. And while LSU has been strong from 2008-2015, they are no Florida or Nebraska during the '90s.
Ohio State has been ranked in every poll from 2008-2015 except for the last 8 polls of 2011. That's 118/126 or 94%
In fact..OSU has not been ranked in only 14 weekly polls since 2000.
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This post was edited on 1/13/16 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 1/13/16 at 10:44 am to FairhopeTider
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but it reminds me of the Braves in the 90's.
Perfect comparison
Posted on 1/13/16 at 10:50 am to MetryTyger
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Nebraska in '70s, '90s
They were very good in the early 70's (that '71 team was one of the best ever) but Bama's run in the 70's was better than Nebraska's overall. No argument 'bout the 90's though, they were dominant...
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Notre Dame in '40s, 50s, 70s
Don't know where you're gettin' the 50's from as ND didn't win a single title in that decade. 40's and 70's though, no argument, especially the 40's. Bama joined the ND teams of the 40's as the only teams to win 4 championships in 7 years...
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Miami '00s
Made two championship games, but only 1 title...however their run which you didn't list, from '83 thru '91 (4 titles), was impressive...
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Ole Miss, late '50s/early '60s
Very strong teams, but no poll titles...that '59 team would've gone down as one of the best ever, but Cannon's punt return on Halloween night cost 'em a title...and the '60 team got robbed in the polls by Minnesota...and the '62 team had a good argument as well...
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Ohio State late 60s, 00s
They were very good from '68 to the mid-70's, but only one poll title ('68)...
Posted on 1/13/16 at 10:58 am to Grandioso
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Nebraska 1994-2001
3 National Championships
4 Conference Championships (2 Big 12, 2 Big 8)
3 Big XII North Divisional Champs
1 Heisman Trophy
1 Heisman Finalist
3 Undefeated seasons
Dozens and dozens of major national, overall, positional, and coaching awards.
1994: 13-0
1995: 12-0
1996: 11-2 (You're welcome Gators)
1997: 13-0
1998: 9-4
1999: 12-1 (so sorry Huskers )
2000: 10-2
2001: 11-2
They logged 3 undefeated seasons and lost 11 games in 8 seasons
ETA: It does put a smile on my face knowing that we screwed them in '96 and '99.
Alabama 2009-?
4 National Championships
4 Conference Championships
4 SEC West Divisional Champs
2 Heisman Trophies
5 Heisman Finalists
1 Undefeated Season
Dozens and dozens of major national, overall, positional, and coaching awards
2009: 14-0
2010: 10-3
2011: 12-1
2012: 13-1
2013: 11-2
2014: 12-2
2015: 14-1
7 straight double digit win seasons. While playing in the toughest division in college football.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 11:25 am to MontyFranklyn
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Nebraska 1994-2001
3 National Championships
4 Conference Championships (2 Big 12, 2 Big 8)
3 Big XII North Divisional Champs
1 Heisman Trophy
1 Heisman Finalist
3 Undefeated seasons
You left off their '93 season. They went 11-1 and lost the Orange Bowl (the Bowl Coalition Alliance National Championship game that year) to FSU, 18-16. If Nebraska's kicker could've made a 40+ yard FG on the last play of the game, Nebraska would've won 3 straight titles...even so, they made it to 3-straight title games...
Posted on 1/13/16 at 5:32 pm to MontyFranklyn
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7 straight double digit win seasons. While playing in the toughest division in college football.
I also posted earlier that the number of top 5 opponents was essentially the same. Nebraska was able to log 3 undefeated seasons. Alabama was only able to do it once. Also, you cannot deny that Alabama has had a lot of luck getting into a handful of their national championship games (2011 and 2015 in particular).
Nebraska's bowl opponents were substantially harder than Alabama's as well.
ETA: Frick that. I change my mind. Nebraska showed up in their big games. They didn't just win, they broke the will of their opponent. They get the nod in my book
This post was edited on 1/13/16 at 5:39 pm
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