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Private HS's recruiting and giving scholarships competing with public schools
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:19 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:19 am
I admittedly know nothing about the ins and outs of how this type of stuff is handled in high school athletics but this is horse shite in my opinion.
For example in the Alabama 5a high school state championship game last night Mortimer Jordan, a public school that cannot recruit players in any way had to play against a private school that not only can recruit, but can offer them what amounts to scholarships to attend their tuition based schools for free.
How is it remotely fair for these 2 schools to be competing against each other in a competitive setting? In college we have divisions for that type of thing. In my opinion, private schools that recruit in this way should have to play against higher division teams, or even a division of their own.
I watched the most talented team in Mortimer Jordan's history get absolutely slaughtered by a team with multiple players with D1 scholarship offers who were literally bought and paid for by the school.
Is this really how it works everywhere? because if so, HS athletics are a competitive joke
For example in the Alabama 5a high school state championship game last night Mortimer Jordan, a public school that cannot recruit players in any way had to play against a private school that not only can recruit, but can offer them what amounts to scholarships to attend their tuition based schools for free.
How is it remotely fair for these 2 schools to be competing against each other in a competitive setting? In college we have divisions for that type of thing. In my opinion, private schools that recruit in this way should have to play against higher division teams, or even a division of their own.
I watched the most talented team in Mortimer Jordan's history get absolutely slaughtered by a team with multiple players with D1 scholarship offers who were literally bought and paid for by the school.
Is this really how it works everywhere? because if so, HS athletics are a competitive joke
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:20 am to ThaKaptin
It is and it's bullshite. Happens in other sports a lot too.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:23 am to ThaKaptin
In Virginia, private schools play in their own league.
ETA: Same with Maryland and DC
ETA: Same with Maryland and DC
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 10:25 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:24 am to ThaKaptin
Yes let's ruin a family's chances of sending their athlete to a better school so we can have healthy high school sports competition. lol
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:27 am to Swoopin
Separate divisions in Tennessee, too.
They recently started playing games again, but for a long time schools like Germantown and Houston (Public) refused to play schools like CBHS and MUS (Private.)
They recently started playing games again, but for a long time schools like Germantown and Houston (Public) refused to play schools like CBHS and MUS (Private.)
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:27 am to ThaKaptin
Look ... this is an SEC board, not prep... and these things are fought out in every state. You have admitted not knowing anything about it so why don't you just let it alone?
The truth is, every public school in the country gives what amounts to a "free scholarships so that the students can attend for free." And those "free scholarships" are paid for by taxpayers who then must also pay after-tax money for their kids to get a decent education.
So if a student can go to a public school for free with their friends, why do they choose to go to a private school amid strangers and still have to pay something?
It is because in many places, especially where I live, the public school suck, plain and simple. Their sports programs suck, the parent support sucks, the coaching sucks, the peer support in the school sucks, the teaching sucks, the education sucks, the facilities often suck.
Solution? ... eliminate districts, allow open enrollment in public schools... the best survive. Problems solved.
Better yet, talk about this elsewhere.
The truth is, every public school in the country gives what amounts to a "free scholarships so that the students can attend for free." And those "free scholarships" are paid for by taxpayers who then must also pay after-tax money for their kids to get a decent education.
So if a student can go to a public school for free with their friends, why do they choose to go to a private school amid strangers and still have to pay something?
It is because in many places, especially where I live, the public school suck, plain and simple. Their sports programs suck, the parent support sucks, the coaching sucks, the peer support in the school sucks, the teaching sucks, the education sucks, the facilities often suck.
Solution? ... eliminate districts, allow open enrollment in public schools... the best survive. Problems solved.
Better yet, talk about this elsewhere.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:27 am to ThaKaptin
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How is it remotely fair for these 2 schools to be competing against each other in a competitive setting?
because St Pauls doesn't have as many students as MJordan
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Already in use by neighboring Alabama, the formula multiplied private school enrollment by 1.5 the male student population
SPS is a smaller school.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:28 am to ThaKaptin
It does suck but I think private schools play in higher classifications than they normally would. For example I want to say Briarwood has the numbers of a 5A but have to play in 6A.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:28 am to Swoopin
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better school
Not necessarily the case. We've had kids transfer in from local private schools that are way behind. There are good private schools and plenty of lousy ones too.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:29 am to DuncanIdaho
What's different from this and auburn paying for play with cam?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:29 am to Swoopin
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Yes let's ruin a family's chances of sending their athlete to a better school so we can have healthy high school sports competition. lol
Couldnt you have them compete in their own division?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:29 am to ThaKaptin
Any big city has seen this for a while.
St. Louis(a very catholic city) is essentially split 50/50 with public private, leaving tons of games to be played against each other. My HS, public played against 4 private schools this year. complete bs.
St. Louis(a very catholic city) is essentially split 50/50 with public private, leaving tons of games to be played against each other. My HS, public played against 4 private schools this year. complete bs.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:30 am to roguetiger15
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What's different from this and auburn paying for play with cam?
Because that just put Auburn on a level playing field with the rest of the SEC.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:31 am to roguetiger15
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What's different from this and auburn paying for play with cam?
It was 5 years ago. Time to let it go.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:31 am to NYCAuburn
In Georgia private schools compete with public schools. Last week, defending state champion in 2A Benedictine (Private) faced Public school Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald blew them out even though they were 11 point underdogs coming in.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:32 am to ThaKaptin
Well public schools don't have to recruit. People are legally required to go there. As for scholarships, public schools are also free.
So let's not pretend some don't have big advantages too.
So let's not pretend some don't have big advantages too.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:34 am to Jacknola
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Look ... this is an SEC board, not prep... and these things are fought out in every state. You have admitted not knowing anything about it so why don't you just let it alone? The truth is, every public school in the country gives what amounts to a "free scholarships so that the students can attend for free." And those "free scholarships" are paid for by taxpayers who then must also pay after-tax money for their kids to get a decent education. So if a student can go to a public school for free with their friends, why do they choose to go to a private school amid strangers and still have to pay something? It is because in many places, especially where I live, the public school suck, plain and simple. Their sports programs suck, the parent support sucks, the coaching sucks, the peer support in the school sucks, the teaching sucks, the education sucks, the facilities often suck. Solution? ... eliminate districts, allow open enrollment in public schools... the best survive. Problems solved. Better yet, talk about this elsewhere.
We don't have a high school board and because frankly, I wanted to.
The reason I posted the thread and asked the question is BECAUSE I don't understand it. If not understanding something was a reason to just shut up then you'd likely still be in 3rd grade.
If u don't want to read it then keep scrolling. You sound like a fricking pussy arse liberal that's offended by everything.
Shut up and let the grown folks talk.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:34 am to Swoopin
Exactly. What some of you on tRant are proposing for your beloved HS football is what you would vehemently oppose in politics. Socialism for high school sports. It's a capitalistic society in all facets of life and sports are no exception. Why shouldn't a private school be able to seek out the best players in the geographic region? They are not bound or limited to districts and zip codes like public schools are. It's like that in Ohio I know. St. Ignatius is a national power in football and so is St. Edward HS. Now some of the public schools are catching on. Like Mentor HS in Mentor, OH. Their HS enrollment is now 4200 kids, and they get the pick of the litter for the best players. Many of the kids at private schools also can say that the schools are actually teaching them as well. Not just to be there to play football. Where Cardale Jones went in Cleveland, that is a football factory, and the education, at least in the past, was always lacking. From what I've read about the school though, Ted Ginn Sr. Has cleaned up the image of Glenville and is turning it into a more college prep setting.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:35 am to SammyTiger
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So let's not pretend some don't have big advantages too.
Nowhere near the advantages of private schools. You can't have a kid move to a new city to attend a public school (unless you're Hoover). With a private school all you have to do is offer them a scholarship and they're in.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:36 am to ThaKaptin
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How is it remotely fair for these 2 schools to be competing against each other in a competitive setting? In college we have divisions for that type of thing. In my opinion, private schools that recruit in this way should have to play against higher division teams, or even a division of their own.
in TN that's exactly what they do and for the reasons you laid out.
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