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That 3rd and Chavis thread...
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:00 pm
HILARIOUS! 
I don't know why some of our guys get so upset. Really it could work out for either side depending on the outcome but man RickDaddy was losing it
If you want a realistic tiger fan's viewpoint. 3rd and Chavis is a real thing. It's not about opp 3rd down conversion % but he does seem for whatever reason to abandon a defense that worked for the rest of the game when it comes down to the nitty-gritty. It works sometimes, it doesn't sometimes. I just don't know why a guy who is an aggressive d coordinator becomes so passive with a lead late. It will happen to you. And maybe you'll see. But FWIW I would rather all of the good with Chavis, then the few bad end-of-game experiences we have had with him. BC there is far more good.
Same way I feel about Les. He has made some off-the wall moves at the end of games before. Some of them worked, some of them didn't. But sometimes you just wonder what makes these highly successful guys change their entire philosophy at some points in certain games. Does the moment get to big sometimes? Is it trying to overcoach? IDK...but again I would take the substantial amount of good over the small amount of disappointment.
I don't know why some of our guys get so upset. Really it could work out for either side depending on the outcome but man RickDaddy was losing it If you want a realistic tiger fan's viewpoint. 3rd and Chavis is a real thing. It's not about opp 3rd down conversion % but he does seem for whatever reason to abandon a defense that worked for the rest of the game when it comes down to the nitty-gritty. It works sometimes, it doesn't sometimes. I just don't know why a guy who is an aggressive d coordinator becomes so passive with a lead late. It will happen to you. And maybe you'll see. But FWIW I would rather all of the good with Chavis, then the few bad end-of-game experiences we have had with him. BC there is far more good.
Same way I feel about Les. He has made some off-the wall moves at the end of games before. Some of them worked, some of them didn't. But sometimes you just wonder what makes these highly successful guys change their entire philosophy at some points in certain games. Does the moment get to big sometimes? Is it trying to overcoach? IDK...but again I would take the substantial amount of good over the small amount of disappointment.
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Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:04 pm to jbrau22
Considering what we've been accustomed to, I'll take any minor quirks that Chavis might have. With our offense, he won't have to hold opponents to 6 points to win.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:09 pm to jbrau22
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I just don't know why a guy who is an aggressive d coordinator becomes so passive with a lead late.
Because with only a single score lead, getting burned while being aggressive is a lot more risky than playing prevent.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:12 pm to jbrau22
I doubt it's any more common with Chavis than many other DCs. Playing not to lose rather than playing to win. It doesn't make sense to fans, but the odds must be in favor of doing it. I guess the times it doesn't work stand out more than the times it does. If you play in a lot of close games because of a lack of offense, it's going to happen more often.
I know most people here know more about football strategy than I do, but I would imagine that guys making millions for coaching know more than them.
I know most people here know more about football strategy than I do, but I would imagine that guys making millions for coaching know more than them.
This post was edited on 9/8/15 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:31 pm to Tecate
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I doubt it's any more common with Chavis than many other DCs
exactly.
every fan base thinks they're the ones who are "cursed".
i can't think of a DC at any level who doesn't allow 4th quarter comebacks from time to time. it happens. it happens more often when teams can't score over 20 points in a game, but w/e.
3rd and chavis. 3rd and saban. 3rd and belichik. 3rd and muschamp. 3rd and take your pick.
This post was edited on 9/8/15 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:35 pm to Tantal
Its very possible (though I'm not saying its true) that Les wanted Chavis to go conservative late in games. I mean, if it's constantly causing losses wouldn't the HC tell the DC to cut it out?
Of course, some of those on that list that gets trotted out are silly like the bowl loss against Clemson. That game was straight up lost by the shitty late game offensive play calling. Clemson should never have even had the chance for a late drive if Les had just pounded the rock.
Of course, some of those on that list that gets trotted out are silly like the bowl loss against Clemson. That game was straight up lost by the shitty late game offensive play calling. Clemson should never have even had the chance for a late drive if Les had just pounded the rock.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:38 pm to Dr RC
wasn't it sammy watkins that caught the pass for a first down? how the eff do u cover him all game? i'd like to know that.
i think they had reid on him, which is a mismatch, but that dude was a mismatch for everyone.
i think they had reid on him, which is a mismatch, but that dude was a mismatch for everyone.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 6:16 pm to jbrau22
One of the most ironic things about their trying to convince us to fear Chavis is that we've suffered the last few years with a DC who played prevent on EVERY play. With 10 yard DB cushions on EVERY play. And it wasn't working on ANY play.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 6:16 pm to BadAgg7
A good portion of Saturday's game was played with the Ags leading by 7 or 10 points. Basically, it was tight until the dam broke in the 4th qtr.
I didn't detect Chavis backing off much on 3rd down. He was all about pressure until in the 4th, when he then sensibly backed off.
I'm not saying he hasn't done this in the past. But I didn't see it last Saturday.
I didn't detect Chavis backing off much on 3rd down. He was all about pressure until in the 4th, when he then sensibly backed off.
I'm not saying he hasn't done this in the past. But I didn't see it last Saturday.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 6:17 pm to jbrau22
Honestly just forcing third downs seems like an improvement over last year.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 6:36 pm to PhilipMarlowe
3rd and chavis > 2nd and snyder, am i right?
This post was edited on 9/8/15 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 9/8/15 at 7:10 pm to BadAgg7
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3rd and chavis > 2nd and snyder, am i right?
So, so right.
Especially when "2nd and Snyder" usually meant 2nd and 2 or 3 after getting gashed on the ground
And I say that as someone who really liked Snyder and thought he got dealt a bad hand with depth/injury issues, but damn you gotta love a defense that is as aggressive as Chavis preaches.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 7:39 pm to jbrau22
It really is funny to see some get so worked up about it.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 7:48 pm to TbirdSpur2010
i think snyder would have been fine with some talent and depth.
he did a decent job with the exception of a few games in 2012.
he did a decent job with the exception of a few games in 2012.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 7:52 pm to PhilipMarlowe
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Honestly just forcing third downs seems like an improvement over last year.
To be fair, we did force quite a few 3rd and long situations last year. They just almost always converted them though.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 7:56 pm to jbrau22
Do you have a link to that thread?
Posted on 9/8/15 at 8:42 pm to TexAgChill
Posted on 9/8/15 at 9:12 pm to jbrau22
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RickDaddy was losing it
He is always losing it
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:28 pm to jbrau22
LSU had three games last year alone where the opponent was driving for the final time, and they were intercepted.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 7:54 am to TeLeFaWx
Guys I say it again...I am not bashing Chavis, nor saying I'm glad he's gone, nor saying he won't do amazing things for you. I am saying that it is a valid thing...3rd and Chavis exists and you will see it.
And to your point Sarge and others...prevent d was a good way to close out games. Still works I would say roughly 85-90% of the time. But in a day and age where teams can throw the ball (outside of LSU, amirite? lol) up and down the field with ease...its an old school mentality is all I'm saying. And with the skill of qbs in the league now, it's risky. Not only that, you are changing the mindset of players...going against their nature.
I would rather lose playing my style...I guess that's all I'm saying. And no I don't make millions coaching football to whomever said that. Just stating my opinion.
Also I am not throwing out any specific instances and I know you think with your offense being other worldly you will never be up only 3-7 points on the last drive of the game lol.
And I will state this one last time. Chavis was the BEST hire made in the offseason by any team last year. He will make your defense better...significantly. Time will tell how Steele does at LSU.
And to your point Sarge and others...prevent d was a good way to close out games. Still works I would say roughly 85-90% of the time. But in a day and age where teams can throw the ball (outside of LSU, amirite? lol) up and down the field with ease...its an old school mentality is all I'm saying. And with the skill of qbs in the league now, it's risky. Not only that, you are changing the mindset of players...going against their nature.
I would rather lose playing my style...I guess that's all I'm saying. And no I don't make millions coaching football to whomever said that. Just stating my opinion.
Also I am not throwing out any specific instances and I know you think with your offense being other worldly you will never be up only 3-7 points on the last drive of the game lol.
And I will state this one last time. Chavis was the BEST hire made in the offseason by any team last year. He will make your defense better...significantly. Time will tell how Steele does at LSU.
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