LSU Winning Percentage: Saban 78% Miles 78%

Saban turned it around.
Les kept it going for a few years.

Same amount of championships, but Saban did it in Les years.

Saban took it from the valley to the peak


Les took it from the peak and may or may not be headed to the valley. Time will tell. I'm not ready to write him off and all programs go through cycles. After a few more 7-8 win seasons Les may crank out a streak of 10+ win seasons. I think he's that good.

Look guys, another insecure corndog.

Another one of these threads...

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They both have the same winning percentage

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What was Les' winning percentage with Saban players vs. winning percentage with only Les players?

How do LSU fans feel about the circumstances that led to the losses at LSU between both Saban and Les? I don't remember the faux pas' of Saban's tenure at LSU, but I do know of Les' clock management issues, forgetfulness of down and distance at critical times of the game, and his stubborness in continuing with an obviously flawed game plan (01/09/12 among others).

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and same amount of national championships at LSU. Thoughts?

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ISWYDT.

LSU Saban was a far cry from Gump Saban. He achieved greatness in year four and built a program, but he was ridiculously inconsistent. Unlike the revisionist historians would tell you of course. In year one (2000) he won 8 games with a roster loaded with future NFL players. I think he did a great job with that team. But the cupboard was FAR from bare.

In year two (2001) he somehow managed to win an SEC Championship WAY ahead of schedule. He still lost three games though, just for the record. That team had lots of good upperclassman (thanks Dinardo) and Jimbo had that passing game purring.

Year three (2002) was a total meltdown. Somehow, sandwiched between an SEC Championship and National Championship he managed to lose FIVE games. And was lucky to do that (Bluegrass miracle). Not to mention a colossal last minute meltdown against Arkansas (Miracle on Markham).And was outscored by the State of Alabama 62-7. SIXTY TWO TO SEVEN. Plus he melted down and bitched and moaned his way through the season and was generally unbearable.

Year four (2003) is how he is remembered, 13-1 and a National Championship. That was a dominant defense and a really great team. That was Saban's best moment at LSU and the year "the process" became legend.

Year five (2004) saw his team play like shite throughout. They were unwatchable at times, got destroyed by Georgia, and of course Saban went out like a chump to Iowa, again on a last second pass.

When Miles came in the roller coaster stopped. He won eleven, eleven, and twelve. Before he had a "bad" eight win season. Saban at LSU was indispensable for the program, but he was not "Gump Saban" by any means. He changed the mindset, he recruited well, but he lost WAY more and in worse fashion than people like to remember.

Alabama fans refuse to acknowledging 2011.

Who won at Bama?

Who beat the pac 12, big east, and sec east champs?

1 is over a decade and the other is 5 years.