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re: Is Avery Johnson's contract really 6 years 18 million?
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:12 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:12 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
They seem to love overpaying these coaches.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:13 am to therick711
Why the hell does anyone care what Bama paid for a coach though? The money UA pays for athletics, coaching salaries, recruiting, facilities has absolutely nothing to do with any other program.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:13 am to elposter
I did read it. And I don't think the outcome of Johnson's hire dictates if you overpaid. Someone with no college coaching experience and who was unemployed for nearly 3 years does not deserve 3M. I don't care if he wins the SEC in year one. Do that, then get a raise to 3M.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:14 am to RT1941
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has absolutely nothing to do with any other program.
Except poor UAB apparently
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:14 am to elposter
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quote: But it doesn't mean the initial salary wasn't an overpayment. It seems patently obvious that it is. Overpaying is paying more for something than you had to. You may not think Avery Johnson is worth $3 million a year and you may be right. That's a different question though. But if Johnson is who Battle wanted and that is what it took for him to say yes, then it is not an over payment. If Johnson comes out and says I would have taken the job for $2 million, then you could say its patently obvious that Alabama overpaid.
No. Almost of that is correct. You're making a guy with 0 college coaching experience one of the top 10 or 15 paid college coaches. It's patently absurd.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:15 am to RT1941
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Why the hell does anyone care what Bama paid for a coach though? The money UA pays for athletics, coaching salaries, recruiting, facilities has absolutely nothing to do with any other program.
Because you had a great athletic department with great leadership and traded it for a leader who is woefully inept. It is funny to laugh at Bama. That's like wondering why people would care if their favorite pro team changed general managers. It matters. And Bama is going to have to pay the next guy more than three million. So overpaying Grant led to overpaying AJ, which will lead to overpaying his replacement. You'll continue to pay top dollar for unproven coaches and likely continue middling in basketball. That about cover it?
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:15 am to the808bass
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No. Almost of that is correct. You're making a guy with 0 college coaching experience one of the top 10 or 15 paid college coaches. It's patently absurd.
But he made the playoffs in the NBA a couple times brah
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:16 am to geauxnavybeatbama
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What's up with alabama and signing short coaches?
Is 5'11" really that short?
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:16 am to DBU
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But he made the playoffs in the NBA a couple times brah
So did Mike Brown and Mike Woodson. I bet they would have taken $2M per.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:17 am to the808bass
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No. Almost of that is correct. You're making a guy with 0 college coaching experience one of the top 10 or 15 paid college coaches. It's patently absurd.
So you just gonna leave out the fact re: his wins in the NBA, coaching his team to the finals, NBA coach of the year?
Yeah OK....perfect sense....
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:18 am to Aman
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Is 5'11" really that short?
In the sports world, yeah. Otherwise, no.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:19 am to therick711
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That about cover it?
Confirmation bias....ridiculous argument.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:20 am to Patton
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I thought he made a pretty good point. It looks like an overpayment off the bat but we have no clue whether it will turn out that way.
He would've come in around 1.5 for 5 years... Then if he turned in good seasons you could've let him negotiate up to around 3... Now if he has good seasons he'll negotiate up to 4 maybe 4.5... If he's getting 3 million for six years he's robbing yall...
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:20 am to 14&Counting
He was a mediocre NBA coach. Nothing he did there would say this is a homerun hire. It could be good. It could be bad. It could be mediocre. None of that justifies making him a top 10 paid college coach before he's recruited one kid, coached one college game, or spoken at one booster's dinner.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:21 am to therick711
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This is the biggest crock of sophistry bullshite I've ever seen. You're putting the analysis on whether a school overpaid on what theoretically it would have taken to hire who they ended up with. Basically, with your crazy formulation, the only way someone could be overpaid is if they admitted they would coach for less. So not only is your argument stupid, your methodology is useless. My goodness.
Wrong. There are certainly other ways to tell if you overpaid than for the coach to admit they would have taken less, that was merely one example. When you are dealing with a unique good or service it is extremely difficult to determine if a person over paid or not. If the exact same good or service was available and someone else got it for less, then you could make that determination. You can't do that with unique goods or services.
With unique goods or services, usually you will not be able to tell if you overpaid until you either resell the good or service or by some other metric of production or return on the investment after the fact. To say that Alabama overpaid Avery Johnson implies that you know they could have gotten him for less right now. None of us know that. Therefore, we will have to wait and see to make that judgment.
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:22 am to 14&Counting
quote:When Saban retires, you guys should hire Gene Chizik.
So you just gonna leave out the fact re: his wins in the NBA, coaching his team to the finals, NBA coach of the year?
Yeah OK....perfect sense....
BCSNC winner, SEC coach of the year, Home depot coach of the year, & Bryant Coach of the Year.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:22 am to 14&Counting
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Confirmation bias....ridiculous argument.
That isn't even the right objection. We'll have to wait and see how AJ does as a college coach. Should he fail, you will pay more for his replacement. There's no doubt. Go back and read the articles about Grant and how much Bama paid him when hired. Your own columnists expressed exactly this sentiment back then. To act like this is something that people are just making up whole cloth because it is funny seeing Bama be inept at all sports other than football and softball is ridiculous.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:23 am to TheJones
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In the sports world, yeah. Otherwise, no
Well then continue the childish flames.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:23 am to AU4real35
You have no idea what he would've come in around for. I would rather overpay for Johnson then pay market value for Prohm
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