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re: Ted Cruz announces candidacy.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:28 pm to deltaland
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:28 pm to deltaland
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The GOP likely won't ever get the women vote. They'll keep around 45% of it.
Most women have a tendency to react emotionally to events rather than logically. Most liberal/democrats are good at pandering to emotion while conservatives always try to take the "reason" route.
Ever try to reason with a woman?
Women are generally smarter and better educated than men. Their voting patterns don't change when they are going through menopause. I have dated my fair share of crazies, and I think I have an inner masochist to keep finding them, but they don't lose the conservative vote because they are crazy. They lose it because the religious rights stance on abortion, birth control, premarital sex and other shite is stupid.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:33 pm to deltaland
Cruz has a lot of hurdles to overcome, but I would have no problem voting for him when the time comes--if it comes. I like Rand Paul a lot too but he seems more of a guy who talks the talk but would drag his feet walking the walk.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:41 pm to TeLeFaWx
quote:Education, yes. Intelligence is tricky. Men are far more varied, we have a lot more geniuses but also a lot more imbeciles. Women are far more likely to be average.
Women are generally smarter and better educated than men.
And women are far less logical and far more emotional than men, which was the point.
quote:This is true only for the highly educated professional single female. The middle America female is swayed by emotion. That War on Women bullshite. By and large.
They lose it because the religious rights stance on abortion, birth control, premarital sex and other shite is stupid.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:47 pm to genro
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Education, yes. Intelligence is tricky. Men are far more varied, we have a lot more geniuses but also a lot more imbeciles. Women are far more likely to be average.
And women are far less logical and far more emotional than men, which was the point.
Yes but there is no information to suggest that their decision for President wouldn't be based on their reasoning. Men can be very emotional as well.
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This is true only for the highly educated professional single female. The middle America female is swayed by emotion. That War on Women bullshite. By and large.
And why would they give up all their reasoning when deciding which Presidential candidate suites them best? It's not like they are going to forget that Ted Cruz doesn't want them to have an abortion if they see Hillary wear a dress they don't like. That's stupid.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:53 pm to cokebottleag
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he is un-electable
This
He is just too vocal about social issues and too antagonistic towards democrats. The MSM will easily be able to paint him as anti-gay, anti-women, anti-science, etc. and he'll be fricked.
I doubt we will ever elect a president who openly fights against gay marriage or actively opposes feminism again. It's just where our society is now.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I doubt we will ever elect a president who openly fights against gay marriage or actively opposes feminism again. It's just where our society is now.
People with vaginas are ruining this country
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:04 pm to Vols&Shaft83
We'll we gave the dickheads a lot of time to ruin the country already, which they have done. So it seems only fair...
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:08 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Marco Rubio is the only Republican with a chance of winning
i would vote for Rubio over Cruz at this point just due to volatility.
i appreciate the answers here. you and i see eye to eye on politics (moreso social issues) very rarely and it's good to see some rational dialogue from somebody on the other side.
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I also know that while the country finally shifted pro-choice for the first time in a long time but that has a lot to do with young evangelical women being sexually active but using contraception. It's become an issue of personal responsibility to millenials because they are humping away on birth control and taking plan b out of pez dispensers. They aren't seeing friends and family affected by young unplanned pregnancies anymore and it has changed their view. It has nothing to do with increased belief in Evangelism even though some time wish it was.
i disagree. i just think that the loudest pro-lifers are protesting at planned parenthood and the loudest pro-choice people are sitting on MSNBC, CNN, and the View every day getting front and center dialogue. anybody else espousing the pro-life view gets relegated to "war on women" status. i do think that millenials are being smarter which brings down the discussion a bit, but as a whole i still would wager we are +51 pro life.
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I agree they vote alot but Obama won twice in a row, and while the country is leaning more right on the pro-choice issue, which I attribute to millenials growing use of birth control not increased evangelism, they are moving left everywhere else. The Evangelicals vote a lot but not enough to matter in a Presidential election anymore. They have lost presence and influence among the voting base in swing states. Especially the voting base of the young that only vote in Presidential elections. It wasn't enough in 08 or 12, it won't be enough now.
Obama won a freebie in 2008. there was literally no candidate that could have beat him on the republican side. and that' OK. I really don't fault people for voting for him in 2008 one iota, especially truly moderate people (not people like 5th in this thread.) 2012 is another issue. Romney, while i think he was a fine middle of the road candidate, had republicans staying at home, and the rest of us holding our noses when we pulled the lever. i'm not saying it's "ok" but if you ran a true blue "i am an atheist/muslim" candidate, evangelicals would turn out in droves.
i do agree we are moving left in a political sense. i mean i'm in my 30s and if you had asked me 10 years ago if i'd ever be in favor of gay marriage or pot legalization, i'd laugh at you. whereas now, i still find both of them morally wrong, but have grown to a stance of not desiring for my morals to be pushed on others when they are no-harm-to-others sin. I don't want to speak for others, but TBird and (i think 808) would fall in line with this line of thinking as well. that is probably the libertarian PoV coming out in us. I think that i can be OK with gay marriage and some drug legalization without condoning the acts themselves. We're obviously becoming a more secular culture as a whole, but to dismiss the Christians is foolish.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:10 pm to deltaland
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Most women have a tendency to react emotionally to events rather than logically
Only to events that directly impact them or their social bubble. Outside of that, women are actually just as logical if not more so than men.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:10 pm to TeLeFaWx
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It's not like they are going to forget that Ted Cruz doesn't want them to have an abortion if they see Hillary wear a dress they don't like. That's stupid.
Yes, that's very stupid.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:10 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I doubt we will ever elect a president who openly fights against gay marriage or actively opposes feminism again. It's just where our society is now.
completely agree. just don't see it happening in this day and age.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:14 pm to Roger Klarvin
It's not just that he's too vocal about social issues, it's that he's too vocal on a diminishing view point.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:09 pm to Roger Klarvin
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He is just too vocal about social issues and too antagonistic towards democrats. The MSM will easily be able to paint him as anti-gay, anti-women, anti-science, etc. and he'll be fricked.
I doubt we will ever elect a president who openly fights against gay marriage or actively opposes feminism again. It's just where our society is now.
Why would you ever want a president to fights against gay marriage and opposes "feminism," as if there is only one form of feminism.
I have yet to hear any kind of reasonable argument against gay marriage. I don't understand why anyone would oppose it.
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:10 pm to Masterag
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:39 pm to TeLeFaWx
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They lose it because the religious rights stance on abortion, birth control, premarital sex and other shite is stupid.
What is the religious right's position on premarital sex and birth control with respect to government?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:44 pm to the808bass
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What is the religious right's position on premarital sex and birth control with respect to government?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:45 pm to the808bass
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What is the religious right's position on premarital sex and birth control with respect to government?
They're big on pushing abstinence only sex ed which works out just great.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:47 pm to KSGamecock
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They're big on pushing abstinence only sex ed which works out just great.
tell me of all the times that abstinence does not work. i'm waiting.
ok.
1 time you SoB. 1 time 2000 years ago is all you got and it turned out OK.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:48 pm to Masterag
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Why would you ever want a president to fights against gay marriage and opposes "feminism," as if there is only one form of feminism. I have yet to hear any kind of reasonable argument against gay marriage. I don't understand why anyone would oppose it.
You don't want a president who fights "feminism." You do want a president who stands for liberty and avoids the government meddling in the business world based on lies (see gender pay inequality).
The gay marriage argument has gone round the bend. Marriage is for the propagation of the species physically and socially. This is best accomplished with a father and a mother. None of that is really the purview of the government. There has never existed a universal right to marriage.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:49 pm to 3nOut
The states that have it have increased teen motherhood, I know that.
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