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Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:46 pm to Duke
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:46 pm to Duke
The TP and evangelical line was somewhat blurred after the 2010 election. The two factions kind of became co-dependent on each other, and thus lumped together. The evangelical voice had gotten marginalized in a lot of ways, but still had some pull within the party. The TP had no pull within the party, but had the momentum of winning several House seats.
Michelle Bachmann is often labeled a TP republican, but she's been around longer than the TP. She's always been a bit evangelical, but didn't gain noteriety until after the TP surge in 2010. I think she's the best example of how the line between the 2 factions became blurred following the 2010 election.
Michelle Bachmann is often labeled a TP republican, but she's been around longer than the TP. She's always been a bit evangelical, but didn't gain noteriety until after the TP surge in 2010. I think she's the best example of how the line between the 2 factions became blurred following the 2010 election.
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:51 pm to The Spleen
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The TP and evangelical line was somewhat blurred after the 2010 election. The two factions kind of became co-dependent on each other, and thus lumped together. The evangelical voice had gotten marginalized in a lot of ways, but still had some pull within the party. The TP had no pull within the party, but had the momentum of winning several House seats.
Michelle Bachmann is often labeled a TP republican, but she's been around longer than the TP. She's always been a bit evangelical, but didn't gain noteriety until after the TP surge in 2010. I think she's the best example of how the line between the 2 factions became blurred following the 2010 election.
This. Thank you.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:07 pm to 3nOut
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i think people on the other side greatly underestimate the pro-life movement and their fervor.
I know people that went to the planned parenthood in Bryan to pray for the murdered babies and now are living in Florida and have told me they don't want kids and are pro-choice. I fully understand the fervor of the Evangelicals I grew up in the Dallas suburbs and went to A&M. I also know that while the country finally shifted pro-choice for the first time in a long time but that has a lot to do with young evangelical women being sexually active but using contraception. It's become an issue of personal responsibility to millenials because they are humping away on birth control and taking plan b out of pez dispensers. They aren't seeing friends and family affected by young unplanned pregnancies anymore and it has changed their view. It has nothing to do with increased belief in Evangelism even though some time wish it was.
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i can give or take a lot of movement on issues, but i cannot vote for a pro choice candidate.
I respect your beliefs on the issue and as someone who has had unplanned pregnancy in the family by a young college aged cousin and an 18 year old cleat chaser, I agree with being pro-choice but I respect those who aren't and love my family member being with us.
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i hate to give credence that much to a single social issue but i feel that passionately about it and as much as you'd like to marginalize the evangelical base, they vote a lot.
I agree they vote alot but Obama won twice in a row, and while the country is leaning more right on the pro-choice issue, which I attribute to millenials growing use of birth control not increased evangelism, they are moving left everywhere else. The Evangelicals vote a lot but not enough to matter in a Presidential election anymore. They have lost presence and influence among the voting base in swing states. Especially the voting base of the young that only vote in Presidential elections. It wasn't enough in 08 or 12, it won't be enough now.
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could go into more detail, but i don't think a pro-choice republican could ever get out of the primaries. pro-gay? sure. drug legalizer? you bet.
Agreed. Or better yet he'd have to say he persoissues.disagrees with abortion but thinks it should be left to the states. That stance might help him escape the primaries but maybe not. And yeah the pro-drug and pro-gay better escape the primaries soon. Republicans are on the losing side of history on those issues
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:19 pm to the808bass
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If we quit giving away free money thus artificially inflating the demand of college education, it would solve it. That's how real life works. I don't suppose that will qualify as a "common sense" approach.
Giving away free money? What? If this is what you think is the problem you're out of touch.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:20 pm to knight_ryder
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Correct, but we are too stupid to realize it.
Yup. We are going to have a Democrat in office for a while and it makes me sad.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:28 pm to crispyUGA
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I'm likely voting Libertarian anyway, so it doesn't really matter for my personal vote. However, if a candidate from the 2-party system MUST be in the White House, I'd prefer it be a Republican; at least that was I have a glimmer of hope that I won't be taxed to all hell and back
I used to feel this way but I'm far less concerned about taxing than I used to be. Don't get me wrong, I loathe tax and spend liberals, but I hate the spend part more. I wouldn't mind even increasing my taxes if it was going to the things it should. I don't care about welfare programs as long as they aren't promoting a welfare state, which they are. I don't care about medicare and medicaid taxes if they aren't perpetuating a corrupt system, which they are.
I won't vote libertarian even though I wish I could. Rand Paul knows the Fed is the greatest injustice on the American people and that I think that is the most important issue facing us. O well. Status quo will be maintained.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:29 pm to The Spleen
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The TP and evangelical line was somewhat blurred after the 2010 election.
There is cross over for TP types that are evangelical. The question for me comes down to how important social issues are for the said groups. The TP seems to on average care more about fiscal stuff and the social conservative types are more concerned with gays and abortion.
They both are conservative populist movements, just with different if not sometimes overlapping goals.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:36 pm to crispyUGA
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However, if a candidate from the 2-party system MUST be in the White House, I'd prefer it be a Republican; at least that was I have a glimmer of hope that I won't be taxed to all hell and back.
No new taxes, but you and/or many of your SECR associates might be in a prison camp.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:37 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Giving away free money? What? If this is what you think is the problem you're out of touch.
What do you think the problem is?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:39 pm to finestfirst79
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No new taxes, but you and/or many of your SECR associates might be in a prison camp.
Do you believe everything your dad does?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:42 pm to The Spleen
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Michelle Bachmann is often labeled a TP republican, but she's been around longer than the TP. She's always been a bit evangelical, but didn't gain noteriety until after the TP surge in 2010. I think she's the best example of how the line between the 2 factions became blurred following the 2010 election.
Solid. One example should capture a national movement.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:46 pm to the808bass
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Do you believe everything your dad does?
Other than rooting for Baylor, yes.
Well, that, and the spankings. And forced green beans. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't make green beans a campaign issue, though.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:52 pm to 5thTiger
Statistically speaking, no candidate who has ever announced first has won the presidency.
Bye Felicia.
Bye Felicia.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 6:20 pm to HYDRnation
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Statistically speaking, no candidate who has ever announced first has won the presidency.
False. No one has won it since Eisenhower
Posted on 3/24/15 at 6:25 pm to Duke
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They lose some women on abortion, but without seeing the numbers it is not THAT big of a difference.
The GOP likely won't ever get the women vote. They'll keep around 45% of it.
Most women have a tendency to react emotionally to events rather than logically. Most liberal/democrats are good at pandering to emotion while conservatives always try to take the "reason" route.
Ever try to reason with a woman?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:01 pm to genro
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Thanks for the link
You're welcome, but I was taken in by an Onion-like satire site. Click "Show facts" to see what is actually true. The egregious stuff is all made up.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:07 pm to 5thTiger
Somewhere Hilary stroked her boner when she heard this.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:20 pm to deltaland
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Most women have a tendency to react emotionally to events rather than logically.
Wonder why conservatives struggle with women?
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Most liberal/democrats are good at pandering to emotion while conservatives always try to take the "reason" route.
LOfrickingL. "Socialism! Obama is a Muslim!" They both pander to emotions because that's what works.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:26 pm to Duke
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Wonder why conservatives struggle with women?
Most women I know will admit that fact. My GF even admits that women are more emotionally driven than men when it comes to taking a stance on an issue.
But then again most girls I'm around are conservative voters
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