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re: Travis Gregory Stano says SEC should get 3 playoff teams
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:46 am to AlaTiger
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:46 am to AlaTiger
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We are picking the top 4 conference champions here
Don't forget that a few years ago we had a PAC 12 team with a losing record go to the Rose Bowl, IIRC.
However, in fairness with leaving out 1 conference that helps ensure that won't happen again.
However, if a 1 loss LSU team gets left out of the playoffs for 4 other 1 loss conference winners how would you feel?
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:49 am to DawgsLife
so if 2 undefeated teams meet in SECCG do you try not to win because you know you will have a chance to face them again. you are better off being 11-1 and not going to the SECCG? will stratergy like this come into play.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:51 am to Riseupfromtherubble
LSU was the best team in the SEC that year. They proved it by beating Alabama at their place. That is how football actually works.
Then, you had a rematch 35 days after the regular season ended. It was an entirely different scenario.
Then, you had a rematch 35 days after the regular season ended. It was an entirely different scenario.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:52 am to DawgsLife
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However, if a 1 loss LSU team gets left out of the playoffs for 4 other 1 loss conference winners how would you feel?
I don't know how other LSU fans would feel, but I would remember my stance for the past 15 years on this issue and say that LSU had a chance and it was what it was. It would be fair.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:55 am to DawgsLife
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What you are saying is speculation. We don't know, because Alabama did not beat LSU that night. We won't get anywhere with this....and I DEFINITELY respect your position and feel for LSU. It was tough. I ahve just always felt that there is no use playing a National Championship game unless th two best teams played in it.
Good discussion and I enjoyed it as well. Thanks.
I value the conferences and the regular season more. It is what makes college football great. The Georgia-South Carolina game this weekend means something because of the SEC. If we are only talking about the national title and mulligans and whatnot, then games like that will begin to lose their luster.
For college football to be great, ALL of the conferences around the country need to mean something and everyone needs to feel that they have a chance.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:05 am to goldennugget
Could you imagine if that happened and Florida State won it all? 
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:07 am to AlaTiger
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LSU was the best team in the SEC that year. They proved it by beating Alabama at their place. That is how football actually works.
No they weren't. They proved that in New Orleans. Don't give me that "Alabama was more motivated" line. If you can't get motivated to play in the national championship then you don't belong in collegiate athletics.
The game in Tuscaloosa proved that the teams were evenly matched, that game could have gone either way. It did not prove that either team was superior to the other, not on that night
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:20 am to DawgsLife
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Don't forget that a few years ago we had a PAC 12 team with a losing record go to the Rose Bowl, IIRC.
UCLA went to a bowl with a losing record. USC dominated the PAC-12 south but was ineligible for the PAC-12 championship, so UCLA played oregon
and was 6-7 going into the kraft fight hunger bowl. they did not play in the rose bowl.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 11:23 am
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:23 am to Buckeye06
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The all SEC NCG drew bad ratings, and at the end of the day, that drives everything.
If they do this and the best teams aren't in the playoff, then the backlash will be tremendous.
It defeats the purpose of the whole thing doesn't it?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:29 am to DawgsLife
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I believe there has been precedence that two teams that have met in the regular season then met in a national championshp game.
Is this not the system we were trying to fix?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:34 am to goldennugget
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SEC should get 3 playoff teams
Should get 4.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:45 am to goldennugget
The only scenario I can see where two SEC teams get in is:
2 undefeated teams meet in the regular season and in the SEC championship. (Auburn and Georgia for example).
Both are split, very close games.
Other conference's heavy weights lose, have a bad loss, or have their schedule become unimpressive.
2 undefeated teams meet in the regular season and in the SEC championship. (Auburn and Georgia for example).
Both are split, very close games.
Other conference's heavy weights lose, have a bad loss, or have their schedule become unimpressive.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:51 am to AlaTiger
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Or, a home game to a team that was better. But, whatever. Don't use logic. It doesn't matter.
I don't know what you're saying here.
If 2 12-0 teams plays a neutral site, we are supposed to believe the better team won, and the team who lost is not the best team in the country on that day. On the date of the SECCG, there are no more games to go on, so if Bama beats UGA and both are undefeated, then UGA isn't as good as Bama, and shouldn't get into a playoff when there may (key word) be teams who are better or in other conferences with 1 loss on the road to a top 20 team.
I just don't know a better solution then letting all conference champs in, then some wild cards
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:58 am to DawgsLife
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It would have been a sham in 2011, for say....Ohio State to go to the National Championship instead of Alabama. (Example...I don't remember who the contenders were back then)
If you don't remember who was left out or who was a contender, how can you say that it would have been a sham for anyone else to go to the NC instead of Bama? This is a stupid statement to make since you are basically stating that you don't know what you are talking about but are going to make a statement anyway.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:00 pm to goldennugget
Scenario: Auburn beats LSU, LSU beats Bama, and Bama beats Auburn. All three finish regular season 11-1, with any one of those winning the SEC champ game. There are no undefeated teams left, do all three get in? If 2 get in how do you justify leaving the 3rd team out?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:02 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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No they weren't. They proved that in New Orleans. Don't give me that "Alabama was more motivated" line. If you can't get motivated to play in the national championship then you don't belong in collegiate athletics.
The game in Tuscaloosa proved that the teams were evenly matched, that game could have gone either way. It did not prove that either team was superior to the other, not on that night
So you are saying one game could only prove the teams were evenly matched, but by playing just one more proved that one team was superior? That seems like you get to choose which games matter retrospectively.
Bama may have won the Natl championship, but you cannot take away that LSU was the best team in the SEC to that year. They had the opportunity to play the best team in the East and beat them. LSU's resume was better than bamas that year, i dont think that can be disputed, they just lost the one game they couldn't. I don't think which team was better was ever settled, just who won the sec and natl championship were.
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:09 pm to DecaturAU
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Scenario: Auburn beats LSU, LSU beats Bama, and Bama beats Auburn. All three finish regular season 11-1, with any one of those winning the SEC champ game. There are no undefeated teams left, do all three get in? If 2 get in how do you justify leaving the 3rd team out?
This happened in the Big 12 in 2008, when OU ended up playing UF. Tech, Texas and OU all had the same record and all lost to each other. For that scenario, it was just done by BCS ranking, so I would assume a similar test would be done. In the scenario I'm talking about, if they took 2 you know for sure Tech is getting left out, because politics rule and OU/Texas are huge players on a national scale
In your scenario, you know Bama is going
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:11 pm to KareemAbdul
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3 SEC teams in the playoffs seems easier to pull off than 2 in the national title.
No way, because politics will not allow it to happen.
Even if it was the absolute right thing to do the committee would never let it happen.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:19 pm to DawgsLife
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I'm a little shocked to see anyone say they do not want to see the two best teams play for the National Championship. I believe there has been precedence that two teams that have met in the regular season then met in a national championshp game. Not positive, but I think I saw tha somewhere.
But there was also a more recent precedent that when two teams played in the regular season and one lost, that knocked them out of the NC game. (see OSU vs UM 2006, i.e. UF's 1st BCS NC) This would be a much more similar scenario to what happened in 2011.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:06 pm to Buckeye06
Well with no BCS it's going to be a crapshoot. I this is actually a very plausible scenario IMO.
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