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re: Travis Gregory Stano says SEC should get 3 playoff teams
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:14 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:14 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Need an 8 team playoff. This scenario will have to happen a few times with only one sec team getting in and that will lead to an 8 team playoff
We don't need an 8 team playoff just like we didn't need a 4 team playoff. We need conferences to function and if you can't win your conference, then you have no business winning the national championship.
When has the #8 team ever been considered the best team in the country? What we are doing is devaluing the drama of the regular season and are making it an "any given Saturday" type of thing, which is colossally stupid.
You should have to win your conference and then be considered one of the top 2 (or now, 4) teams to be able to play for a NATIONAL championship. We have the conferences set up. If we keep expanding the playoff, it makes the regular season less important and it makes conference championships less important, and that will be the ruin of college football.
But, sure, just try to get Alabama into a playoff in the hope that you can get on a run and win another bogus title when you couldn't win your conference championship that year. Makes sense.
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:14 am to AlaTiger
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"Well, the purpose of the playoff is to get the top four teams in the country ..."
Do you disagree with this statement? Don't you think the four best teams should amke the playoff?
Honestly, that is why I didn't have a problem with the rematch in 2011. I felt Alabama and LSU were the two best teams in the country. I still do.
I just wish they could have played a rubber match. Best 2 out of 3!
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:17 am to Buckeye06
Great post, and my fear as well. Hope that we are wrong.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:20 am to AlaTiger
I would disagree. The point is to have the two best teams play no matter what conference they come from. In 2011, the SEC had the two best teams, and IMO, in 2012 the SEC had at LEAST 2 of the top 3 or 4 teams. Those years, if there had been a playoff, then two SEC teams should have gone.
In 2012, an argument COULD have been made that the SEC had three of the top 4 teams in the country with Alabama, Georgia and Florida.
I DO agree that we don't need an 8 team playoff, though.
In 2012, an argument COULD have been made that the SEC had three of the top 4 teams in the country with Alabama, Georgia and Florida.
I DO agree that we don't need an 8 team playoff, though.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 10:22 am
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:21 am to DawgsLife
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Do you disagree with this statement? Don't you think the four best teams should amke the playoff?
Yes, I disagree with that statement. When you are picking the top 4 teams and you are using the "eyeball" test and you are picking teams from the same conference because of how it looks to the media and to defenders of that conference, you devalue the entire game of college football. Either the conferences mean something or they don't.
The SEC is better off if we only get the conference champion in the playoff. That makes winning the SEC that more important. If the second place team in the West can sneak in with an 11-1 record after getting beat by the team with an 11-1 record who still has to go to Atlanta and play a team with an 11-1 record, then how is that right? The team that beat the team who doesn't go to Atlanta but who loses in Atlanta stays home because they are now 11-2?
All of this will make the SEC regular season mean less. It is the best thing in sports right now and we are screwing with it by adding new teams to the conference and trying to get Alabama in every playoff scenario because we decide at the beginning of the season that they are one of the best four teams whether they beat everyone on their schedule or not.
You should have to win your division and your conference to get in. I have said that all the way back to the time that Nebraska and Oklahoma got in after losing the Big 12 championship. If you can't win your conference, then why are you playing for a NATIONAL title?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:23 am to goldennugget
SEC will not get 3 teams in. Plus SEC will be beating up on each other, doubt if 2 gets in.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:24 am to AlaTiger
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Yes, I disagree with that statement. When you are picking the top 4 teams and you are using the "eyeball" test and you are picking teams from the same conference because of how it looks to the media and to defenders of that conference, you devalue the entire game of college football.
I agree. BUT, in 2011, you would not be using the eyeball test. The game between LSU and Alabama could not have been closer. The whole game played out as even teams.
Honestly, now....what team do YOU think was better than LSU or Alabama?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:25 am to DawgsLife
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In 2012, an argument COULD have been made that the SEC had three of the top 4 teams in the country with Alabama, Georgia and Florida.
An argument "COULD" have been made ...
That is the point. You throw this into complete subjectivity again. You are only talking about the eyeball test. We have no way of knowing.
Make it all conference champions. Every SEC team has an equal chance to win the SEC. If you can't do that, then what are you doing claiming that you are the best team in the nation? So, you want a "do-over"? There will never be a best 2 out of 3. It will always just be "the best team that day" and we will never really know.
You are destroying the conference system and what is good about college football. A playoff is a really bad idea unless it takes the conference champions. So what if the other conferences are weaker? If the SEC champ wins, they will prove their superiority. If they lose, they still have the validity of the SEC title.
This isn't basketball.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:25 am to bayou2003
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SEC will not get 3 teams in. Plus SEC will be beating up on each other, doubt if 2 gets in.
I would be SHOCKED if two teams get in.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:28 am to DawgsLife
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Honestly, now....what team do YOU think was better than LSU or Alabama?
So you are saying that some years, there are clearly 2 top teams, however you support 2 more teams being introduced to possibly knock them off?
Besides, that's not his point. His point is that conference championships should be the first hurdle in having the right to play for the national title.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:29 am to AlaTiger
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An argument "COULD" have been made ...
That is the point. You throw this into complete subjectivity again. You are only talking about the eyeball test. We have no way of knowing.
Actually, the way the SEC has dominated over the past 8 years should prove the point.
It would have been a sham in 2011, for say....Ohio State to go to the National Championship instead of Alabama. (Example...I don't remember who the contenders were back then)
I also felt pretty bad that Georgia got left out of the Sugar Bowl in 2012 and Florida went. Obviously I feel that way since I am a Georgia fan, but we beat Florida in the regular season....not using the eyeball test on that. That was a fact.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:31 am to DawgsLife
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Honestly, now....what team do YOU think was better than LSU or Alabama?
LSU was the best team that year and they proved it by beating Alabama on the road in the most hyped up regular season game we have ever seen.
When two evenly matched teams play, the team who lost always has the emotional advantage the second time around. Plus, the second game was at a neutral site (Alabama had at least 40% of the crowd there) with over a month to prepare. And, LSU had to play an extra game and beat Georgia.
It doesn't matter if they were the two best teams. They already played and LSU won. The only way to replicate the first game would have been to play the third game in Tiger Stadium with only two weeks for each team to prepare in the midst of the season. The game should have been between LSU and Oklahoma State.
Who remembers what happened in the first game? Who considers LSU to have been the best team in the SEC that year? Because of the artificial second game, it rendered all that was accomplished in the regular season meaningless.
Now, multiply that out and that will happen again and again over the years. Regular season games won't matter as much because you know that you always have a chance to sneak back in. The national picture will supersede the conference title, and that is exactly how ESPN, a national network, wants it. They want college football to be like the NFL. That way they can make more money and we, the fans, get a cheapened experience.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:31 am to AlaTiger
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You are destroying the conference system and what is good about college football.
I disagree. The two best teams in the SEC played for the National Championship in 2011. AND, IMO, the two best teams in the coutry played for it. had it been Georgia and Alabama instead of LSU and Alabama you would, I suspect feel differently. BOTH teams were teams for the ages. GREAT teams. It just stings because LSU came out on the short end of the stick,
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:35 am to AlaTiger
So if undefeated LSU lost in overtime to undefeated Georgia in the SECCG, you would be ok with 2 loss Oklahoma, 2 loss Oregon, and Florida state making it in?
What about that scenario?
Should these team be rewarded just because they happened to be the best team in a terrible conference? It's a ludicrous argument. In no other sport do you have to win your conference to make a playoff
What about that scenario?
Should these team be rewarded just because they happened to be the best team in a terrible conference? It's a ludicrous argument. In no other sport do you have to win your conference to make a playoff
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:36 am to AlaTiger
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LSU was the best team that year and they proved it by beating Alabama on the road in the most hyped up regular season game we have ever seen.
You could make that argument, and it would be a good one. OR, you could say Alabama dominated in the bigger game that was hyped more on a bigger stage on a neutral site. The first game was so even it was near impossible to tell who the better team was. And, again, I can't think of another team that year that was better than LSU OR Alabama.
I'm a little shocked to see anyone say they do not want to see the two best teams play for the National Championship. I believe there has been precedence that two teams that have met in the regular season then met in a national championshp game. Not positive, but I think I saw tha somewhere.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:37 am to AlaTiger
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LSU was the best team that year and they proved it
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When two evenly matched teams play, the team who lost always has the emotional advantage the second time around. Plus, the second game was at a neutral site
See the 1999 SECCG for an example. Alabama went into the swamp and beat Florida 40-39 in over time. As an underdog in Atlanta they beat Florida's teeth in. Take off the purple and gold glasses
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:38 am to DawgsLife
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I disagree. The two best teams in the SEC played for the National Championship in 2011. AND, IMO, the two best teams in the coutry played for it. had it been Georgia and Alabama instead of LSU and Alabama you would, I suspect feel differently. BOTH teams were teams for the ages. GREAT teams. It just stings because LSU came out on the short end of the stick,
Sure, it stings. But, I have always believed this. I never thought that Nebraska should have played for that title years ago when Miami destroyed them. I didn't think that Oklahoma should have in 2003. And, before the 2011 LSU-Alabama game, I stated on this board that there should not be a rematch no matter what happened. It is a bad idea and it would devalue the game played that night.
If LSU had lost 9-6 AT Alabama, there would not have been a rematch. I am convinced of that. Alabama would have won the SEC and beaten Georgia and we would have had an Alabama-Oklahoma State final. There would have been a call from ESPN to have the SEC and Big 12 champs play. And, I would have been fine with that. That is what I believe about college football. The regular season matters. But, ESPN wanted Alabama in the game because of the Saban storyline and the potential of ratings. Their plan backfired, however, as the rest of the country didn't want to see that game again. The ratings were terrible. The only people who wanted to see that game again were Alabama fans and ESPN.
It will happen that way again. I am fine with a playoff if it pits conference champs against each other. If it is 2-3 SEC teams, I think it will be a joke.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:39 am to AlaTiger
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Because of the artificial second game, it rendered all that was accomplished in the regular season meaningless.
No, it didn't. Both teams had to have the records they had in the regular season in order to make the National Championship. If they had stumbled several times during the egular season they would not have gone. The regular season was still vey important. Did the second game hurt LSU? SURE, it did. No denying that. I wish georgia had had that chance, though!
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:42 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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So if undefeated LSU lost in overtime to undefeated Georgia in the SECCG, you would be ok with 2 loss Oklahoma, 2 loss Oregon, and Florida state making it in?
Yes, because LSU had their shot and why should Georgia have to play a super-motivated LSU team again to prove that they weren't a fluke? It is stupid.
We are picking the top 4 conference champions here. If a two loss team wins the Pac-12, then so be it. Maybe they are better than the SEC? Maybe they got hot at the end of the year and won their conference? I would have put that 10-3 2001 LSU team against anyone in the country at the end of the season, including Miami and Ohio State. They were playing great football. I would have loved to have seen that team in a playoff. Tennessee had their chance and lost in the SECCG.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:43 am to AlaTiger
What you are saying is speculation. We don't know, because Alabama did not beat LSU that night.
We won't get anywhere with this....and I DEFINITELY respect your position and feel for LSU. It was tough. I ahve just always felt that there is no use playing a National Championship game unless th two best teams played in it.
We won't get anywhere with this....and I DEFINITELY respect your position and feel for LSU. It was tough. I ahve just always felt that there is no use playing a National Championship game unless th two best teams played in it.
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