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re: Bama fans - will Saban ever stop playing the 300+ pound D ends that

Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:40 pm to
Posted by GoldenDawg
Dawg in Exile
Member since Oct 2013
19887 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

It's a joke that you weren't around for noob.

I may be a noob, but I do know sarcasm when I see it.

Sarcasm. Look it up.
Posted by BlackAndGoldTigers
Member since Jul 2014
15 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:40 pm to
Adrian Hubbard and Courtney upshaw were not skinny
Posted by WylieTiger
Member since Nov 2006
13430 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:41 pm to
:confused:
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55895 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:43 pm to
quote:

Adrian Hubbard and Courtney upshaw were not skinny


Hubbard wasn't that thick, he was just tall. He was 6'6 compared to a 6'1 or 6'2 Upshaw.

Johnson and Hightower are also of the 'fat and slow' archetype.
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
4964 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:48 pm to
Too fat, too slow

































and TOO MUCH for Mizzou.







Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
32046 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:20 pm to
Wish we had that fat boy, #62, back in the middle at NG.
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
13610 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:59 pm to
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Also...since 2008, Alabama has finished #1 in total defense in the SEC every season, as well as has finished Top 5 in the nation in each of those years.


Bama has also mostly avoided playing good offenses and when they did they looked average to bad.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 11:01 pm
Posted by bigman334
Member since Jul 2013
2417 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:10 pm to
OP actually has a great point,. those guys stumbling around the backside of plays.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 11:11 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
66513 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:19 pm to
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Bama has also mostly avoided playing good offenses and when they did they looked average to bad.



There are also only about one or two good offenses to be found in the SEC in any given year. And while our defensive stats don't look nearly as good against them, we more often than not hold them well below their season average. Take Auburn for instance. Yeah, the defense got pushed around, but they still held Auburn 100 yards below their season average. Texas A&M got the better of that trend in 2013, but not in 2012. We held them to 140 yards below their season average in that loss at Bryant-Denny.
Posted by Chronic
Member since Nov 2013
1096 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:29 pm to
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Bama has also mostly avoided playing good offenses and when they did they looked average to bad.


Bama plays basically the same teams that Auburn does. So you're basically admitting that Auburn's D has been a dumpster fire for the last decade.
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
13610 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:46 pm to
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There are also only about one or two good offenses to be found in the SEC in any given year.
The point was they are not playing enough teams to show they are that good and not just looking good because they don't play anyone. The top offenses they do play they aren't shutting down like you expect a top defense to and alot of the time the offenses are scoring alot.

Also as far as saying they held them to less than normal the same can be said that they scored more than Bama gave up on normal. There are teams that hold the same offenses to less.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 12:04 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46651 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:10 am to
Im always amazed by how many football fans are completely clueless when it comes to the 3-4 vs the 4-3.

I blame the Madden generation. People have this idea that positions, such as end, are the same in every scheme and can be swapped in and out without consequence.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13049 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:14 am to
You mean they shouldn't go get 255 pound ends to try and occupy 2 blockers?
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
13610 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:16 am to
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Im always amazed by how many football fans are completely clueless when it comes to the 3-4 vs the 4-3.


I think Saban will eventually have to go to a 4-3 to cover the spread HUNH teams as more teams start running it.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
66513 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:24 am to
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The point was they are not playing enough teams to show they are that good and not just looking good because they don't play anyone.


They don't play anyone? Do they not play in the SEC against virtually the same teams Auburn plays every year?

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The top offenses they do play they aren't shutting down like you expect a top defense to and alot of the time the offenses are scoring alot.


Kind of like LSU in 2011 when West Virginia put up over 530 yards of offense on one of the greatest defenses of all-time? A great defense is going to have a bad game every now and then.

P.S.,

2012 and 2013 Alabama were good, not great, defenses. 2013 more so than 2012.

quote:

There are teams that hold the same offenses to less.



The fact that you are using the transitive property to debate football tells me everything I need to know about your football IQ.



This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 12:27 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46651 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:24 am to
3-4 vs 4-3 is becoming an obsolete debate these days. Most teams spend more time in their nickel packages these days than their base defense most games.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13049 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:26 am to
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I think Saban will eventually have to go to a 4-3 to cover the spread HUNH teams as more teams start running it.


The 3-4 is actually more ideal - just not his version. Besides he uses a 4 man front 75% of the time per his own words. His problem is getting his personnel groupings out there. In any base, you need hybrid athletes.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46651 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:30 am to
Bama played with at least 5 DBs on the field just about every play against A&M the last two years.

Outside of the annual three yards and a cloud of dust bowl against LSU, they are in their nickel packages more often than not. That is true for most defenses these days.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:33 am to
12–2
14–0
10–3
12–1
13–1
11–2

72-9

over the past 6 seasons.

You're right, we totally need to blow everything up and completely start over.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 12:34 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46651 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:36 am to
Its still unfathomable to me that the 2010 team lost three games. That team was stacked with NFL talent.
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