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re: Al Sharpton on Clippers owner racist rant

Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:31 am to
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:31 am to
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The NBA is a global brand driven by minorities. Not difficult to see how something like this coming to light would be a powder keg. It should be.



I was being completely facetious

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Yes, but surely you realize there's much more to this.


It should have been blown up because of his comments, not devolved into saying that he shouldn't be the owner of the Clippers because of his comments. Call him a racist and demonize his comments but there is no way they should be acting like he has to sell the team because of it.

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And btw, I take nothing personally. I just care to debate


Neither do I. We just disagree, which shouldn't make us have ill feelings toward one another.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:31 am to
The piece that I heard yesterday seemed to me that he should have known something was up with the way the conversation was being egged on - he's dumb for sure.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:32 am to
No doubt.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:36 am to
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I was being completely facetious


Damn, my bad, I swung and missed there

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It should have been blown up because of his comments, not devolved into saying that he shouldn't be the owner of the Clippers because of his comments. Call him a racist and demonize his comments but there is no way they should be acting like he has to sell the team because of it.


I think his very presence devalues the brand of the league greatly and as such he should not have a place in said league. But that is JMHO, of course.

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Neither do I. We just disagree, which shouldn't make us have ill feelings toward one another.


Some of my closest friendships are with those with whom I frequently and vehemently disagree
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:39 am to
Sterling being a racist isn't really news. Bomani Jones(who has had a LOT of good Tweets in this the past few days) wrote this about him in 2006. I guess nobody paid attention because the Clippers were such a terrible team back then nobody cared.

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Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:39 am to
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The piece that I heard yesterday seemed to me that he should have known something was up with the way the conversation was being egged on - he's dumb for sure.



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Posted by AU4real35
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:46 am to
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And who the frick are you to purport to know the unerring greater good for a group you don't belong to.


Seems to me you're making this a race thing... I wanna see the good for all humanity bud... I don't think one person is better than the other, no matter what race, social status, or gender... If I offended you I apologize... I've always been taught to acknowledge the elephant in the room, not to sugar coat it and act like it's not there.. Like I said my comments and opinions are not meant to be insensitive or offensive to you tbird...
Posted by AirDawg
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:47 am to
You may think my conversation is BULL but I stand by it. I'm tired of seeing the hypocrits go on TV all in the name of equality and against racism all the while the other side is doing the same thing and nothing is said...Meanwhile sponsors and consumers completely ditch the sinking ship to save face. THAT IS BULL!
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 11:38 am
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 11:16 am to
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I think his very presence devalues the brand of the league greatly and as such he should not have a place in said league. But that is JMHO, of course.



I really don't understand this at all. Who is going to stop watching the NBA, or spending money on tickets because some owner they'll never see made some racist remarks? How is this going to devalue the league in any way? Other than in LA where the fans can directly effect the bottom line with ticket sells, it won't.

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Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 11:25 am to
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I really don't understand this at all. Who is going to stop watching the NBA, or spending money on tickets because some owner they'll never see made some racist remarks? How is this going to devalue the league in any way? Other than in LA where the fans can directly effect the bottom line with ticket sells, it won't.


I argue that it will. Already agents have said they'd discourage their clients from going to the Clippers because of Sterlings latest faux pas. The NBA is a global brand now. There is simply no place for a bigot of his caliber to be in a position of power. It's a crying shame that he's been afforded this much leeway to begin with. This absolutely will affect people's perception of the Clippers in particular and the league in general if they turn a blind eye to this or just slap DS on the wrist. It will devalue the league internationally as well. If an owner isn't held accountable for remarks like these toward his own countrymen, who's to say that he won't have similar druthers toward a foreigner? Or if he isn't taken to task, will others feel free to express their negative opinions of others based solely on their nationality? From a business and marketing perspective, this is a huge black mark (pardon the pun). That cannot be overstated IMO.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 11:26 am
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 11:29 am to
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You may think my conversation is BULL but I stand by it. I'm tired of seeing the hypocrits go on TV all in the name of equality and against racism all the while the other side is doing the same thing and nothing is said...Meanwhile sponsors and consumers completely ditch the sinking shipping to save face. THAT IS BULL!


Wholeheartedly agree. But it won't ever change when the other side, as you put it, is the worst of all.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 11:30 am
Posted by TeLeFaWx
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 11:29 am to
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I argue that it will. Already agents have said they'd discourage their clients from going to the Clippers because of Sterlings latest faux pas. The NBA is a global brand now. There is simply no place for a bigot of his caliber to be in a position of power. It's a crying shame that he's been afforded this much leeway to begin with. This absolutely will affect people's perception of the Clippers in particular and the league in general if they turn a blind eye to this or just slap DS on the wrist. It will devalue the league internationally as well. If an owner isn't held accountable for remarks like these toward his own countrymen, who's to say that he won't have similar druthers toward a foreigner? Or if he isn't taken to task, will others feel free to express their negative opinions of others based solely on their nationality? From a business and marketing perspective, this is a huge black mark (pardon the pun). That cannot be overstated IMO.


Agreed.
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 11:29 am to
I didn't think about internationally and you probably have a very solid point there.

However, as it pertains to Americans, can you honestly tell me that you think that a young black guy out there is going to stop watching the NBA because of some owner for the Clippers made a racist comment? I know you're not and neither will I

In two months, when the finals are over and it's the off-season, no one will even be talking about this. If it would have happened during the season and not during the playoffs, it would have been a 1:00 minute segment on PTI and then left.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 11:31 am
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 11:38 am to
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can you honestly tell me that you think that a young black guy out there is going to stop watching the NBA because of some owner for the Clippers made a racist comment? I know you're not and neither will I


That's beside the point, though. Of course no one's going to stop watching the NBA. Nobody watches or chooses a team based upon the owner. Which is precisely why shite like this shouldn't be allowed to slide. Just because you're behind the scenes doesn't give you a pass on being racist in this manner. That's not a way to keep a brand strong in the long run.

Saying "oh but ppl will still watch" is not a valid reason for turning a blind eye, IMO.
Posted by 870Hog
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 11:38 am to
This thread, let it die.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 11:43 am to
The Piggy Overlord hath spoken

I'm done. Thanks everyone for the discussion!
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 11:43 am to
Oh I'm not saying let it go. Fine the absolute frick out of him, or take some revenue or something.


There should be penalties and the guy is an absolute frick face. Let me go on the record saying that to clear that part up from my POV.


The only thing that I disagree with in the situation is saying that the team should be taken from him by force or by sell.
Posted by KSGamecock
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 11:44 am to
I finally read what he said.

I think he's a racist but a really weird racist. He's Jewish with a Black/Mexican (?) girlfriend and he's ok with her sleeping around but not taking pictures with people?

Definitely a racist given his record (the housing stuff) but these new school racists are just weird.

As to whether this will affect viewership: I don't know about committed NBA fans but as a non-fan I'll probably try to catch a Clippers game only to see if more drama unfolds. In the long term I doubt it will hurt the league though it will probably hurt the Clippers. It doesn't change what I think about the NBA or team owners in general as I've always thought they were a bunch of rich old white guys, the NBA just has a more eccentric and loudmouthed group than the other leagues.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:36 pm to
I will give my thoughts on the issue. First of all, it was intended to be a private conversation. Not that it changes what the man is or what he perceives but if you listen to the conversation it sounds more like he is worried about perception. He never says I hate blacks in that context he just would rather not be associated with them publicly because of the perception that he believes that brings. Now, the man is over 70 and comes from a time in our history where his fathers and the fathers before him indoctrinated their children to not associate with people of color. Some people change some don't. It sounds like in his mind he will go to the grave believing these things and that's fine if that's the way he chooses to live his life but behind closed doors you never know what people think and believe. If you could tape every nba player that was black and every white athlete behind closed doors people would probably be appalled at the general dislike for people of other races not that it is right or wrong it's just the way people are in general. Everyone stereotypes to a certain degree. I've been in 5 points Altanta a few times to know that I have been in situations to where I was not completely comfortable....not that it is right or wrong but it was my inner thoughts. Now the story is 2 fold here. You have a gold digger intentionally taping the guy to make money. She knew what he was and knew that she could invoke this type of response because you see her continually bringing up the race issue in the conversation as to entice him to give a response she knew he would give so this subject was not foreign to her as she was baiting him. I have just as much an issue with what this girl did as I do with what this guy says not that it makes either thing right. I think people are attempting to make something bigger out of it than it needs to be. The guy needs to have his hand slapped and there should probably be some type of league intervention to ensure the Clippers organization doesn't go around mistreating their employees and beyond that it's his team and his organization and I am sure the money he is about to lose because of this will be a good enough black eye to make him rethink his decision making. I'll be happier when other people of other races of color that continue to perpetrate racist language and instead of being applauded for it are also held accountable. Rev Jackson, Al Sharpton, Oprah, Steve Harvey , Kanye West and many many more prominent black figures provide us with the other side of the coin with regards to it not just being a white issue. Not all but some black women disagree strongly with black men dating white girls and vice versus so the entire world whether we want to believe or not holds these inner bias that most would classify as racist even though if you ask them it's not racism it is pride in their skin color. People tend to believe in things with blinders on.

Cliffnotes version, frick this guy, frick Kanye West, frick ignorance, life is good.

Posted by bbvdd
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:47 pm to
I didn't read everything here and I'm sure it's been posted but who is more racist, Sterling or Sharpton?
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