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re: Herbstreit on HUNH: "Look for more fake injuries"
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:21 pm to WDE24
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:21 pm to WDE24
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Could you explain what you are saying here? It sounds like you are saying Alabama has built a ridiculous program so they can do it, but HNHU teams can't have built a good program so it is the system. Are you trying to differentiate between a process and a system?
My original post was saying they're legal. They're fun. They're just not for me because I like the idea of building a football team the way Alabama has. I know that'll sound dumb because Saban is Alabama's coach. So no shite I'm gonna like the way he does things. I like his system though.
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Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:23 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:Got no problem with that and completely understand it. I think the reaction was when you took it a step further to say HUNH teams were essentially not willing to do the work and looking for the easy way out. there really is no supporting that thought, IMO.
My original post was saying they're legal. They're fun. They're just not for me because I like the idea of building a football team the way Alabama has. I know that'll sound dumb because Saban is Alabama's coach. So no shite I'm gonna like the way he does things. I like his system though.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:23 pm to WDE24
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Call it what you will. The way you define gimmick here sounds a lot like a scheme to me.
Gimmick may not be the right word. But by scheme, I mean on a pure X & O level.
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I think most teams will adopt elements of the scheme and be more strategic about when and how often to use it than some that use it all the time though.
I agree for the most part.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:25 pm to Eagle of War
quote:Saban doesn't give a shyte about player safety. He doesn't like it when he can't analyze and react his defensive schemes to what the offense is doing. He loves to sub his defensive packages that he has tailored to stop certain offensive schemes. He is a pro at doing this - but when a opponent takes that away from him he gets out of his OCD comfort zone.
I also said everyone has a right there own opinion. But even Saban tries pushing his opinion of how people should play on other Teams. Does anyone HONESTLY believe his player safety argument is his sole reason he doesn't like HUNH?
The statistics prove the opposite.
Bottom line, he is one of the best college football coaches today. He gets paid a kings ransome to figure this shite out and he will adjust his coaching style to do just that. Bama will face 4-5 HUNH offenses in the regular season this year, Saban & Co have known that for a while. They will adjust and adapt accordingly.
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:26 pm to parkjas2001
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You said it was an easy way to win...that is just plain ignorant
I'm pretty sure I said it's an easier system to get up and running and be successful with. Do you disagree?
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:28 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
quote:Each HUNH is different in that respect and it is hard to discuss HUNH as far as scheme.
But by scheme, I mean on a pure X & O level.
It is more of a strategy added as an element to an offensive X's and O's scheme. Frankly, it is only an advantage if you are good at it. It can kill your team if you fail to properly execute it, just like any other offensive strategy or scheme.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:29 pm to ReauxlTide222
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You said it was an easy way to win...that is just plain ignorant
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I'm pretty sure I said it's an easier system to get up and running and be successful with. Do you disagree?
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I can't shake the notion that teams use it because they don't want to put in the work and want an easier way to win.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:31 pm to WDE24
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I think the reaction was when you took it a step further to say HUNH teams were essentially not willing to do the work and looking for the easy way out. there really is no supporting that thought, IMO.
You're right that's where it was from. And I do think it's easier to win that way. "Easy way out?" Nooooo. That sounds really negative. It's smart to do it. I just don't like it.
I like the idea of coaches coaching up their players to beat te guy in front of them every single play. My guy is better than your guy and he's gonna prove it play after play. Ya know, that kinda stuff.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:33 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I like the idea of coaches coaching up their players to beat te guy in front of them every single play. My guy is better than your guy and he's gonna prove it play after play. Ya know, that kinda stuff.
And our point is that still happens in HUNH. Going fast doesn't mean that physicality is taken out of it. That I think is where the main disagreement is
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:33 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:I don't think the HUNH nullifies this attitude from a coach.
I like the idea of coaches coaching up their players to beat te guy in front of them every single play. My guy is better than your guy and he's gonna prove it play after play. Ya know, that kinda stuff.
Again, i'm ok with people not being a fan of the strategy. I wouldn't like cfb if every team did the same thing, but i think a lot of the negativity is more related to what your team does and what your rival does than just a fair evaluation of the scheme/strategy. JMO.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:36 pm to WDE24
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I can't shake the notion that teams use it because they don't want to put in the work and want an easier way to win.
I stand by this.
Even look at the defenses of teams who run these offenses. Almost every single one of them is a bend but don't break defense. Or at least they want to be.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:36 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I'm pretty sure I said
I can't shake the notion that teams use it because they don't want to put in the work and want an easier way to win.
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Do you disagree?
Uhh...yeah. You said HUNH offense are easy way to win and that coaches who run them are lazy.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:37 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I stand by this.
Even look at the defenses of teams who run these offenses. Almost every single one of them is a bend but don't break defense. Or at least they want to be.
We will just have to agree to disagree then
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:39 pm to joeyb147
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Looks like you'd rather it be soccer.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:39 pm to WDE24
I promise I haven't formed my opinion of it because of Auburn.
To the other poster...the amount of misdirection and quick plays and spreadoutness(what a word) eliminates many of the physical matchups and the idea of beating your man.
To the other poster...the amount of misdirection and quick plays and spreadoutness(what a word) eliminates many of the physical matchups and the idea of beating your man.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:41 pm to TigerPaw1
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We will just have to agree to disagree then
But I wanted to win this one!
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:42 pm to parkjas2001
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Uhh...yeah. You said HUNH offense are easy way to win and that coaches who run them are lazy.
Work smarter not harder...doesn't mean you're lazy.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:43 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:Well, it appears to me you have formed it because of Bama and express it because of AU. Maybe not, but the way you express your dislike of the system seems completely UA centric and void of any objectivity. Nothing wrong with having those feelings, but they lose credibility among non-UA fans.
I promise I haven't formed my opinion of it because of Auburn.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:48 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Work smarter not harder...doesn't mean you're lazy.
Wow....
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:49 pm to WDE24
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Well, it appears to me you have formed it because of Bama and express it because of AU. Maybe not, but the way you express your dislike of the system seems completely UA centric and void of any objectivity. Nothing wrong with having those feelings, but they lose credibility among non-UA fans.
I formed it watching Alabama and Auburn and everyone in the SEC my whole life. I like good defense and pro style(this will have a new definition soon) offense.
I express it because of Oregon more than anything. Michigan. The Eagles now. Teams like that. I don't like that shite. And if I had to guess most Auburn fans didnt either not too long ago.
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