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re: Manziel recommendation from NCAA on Wednesday
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:25 pm to JustGetItRight
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:25 pm to JustGetItRight
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They would the very second JM filed a lawsuit.
The NCAA never has, does not, and never will have subpoena authority.
They are not a court of law.
They are not a law enforcement agency.
In the case you are mentioning, they would be a defendant and the discovery process would take effect.
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Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:26 pm to geauxtigs99
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What player has been suspended for allowing someone to make money of an autograph and not stopping them?
I don't recall ever seeing a case involving thousands of signatures.
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Major violations over a single dumba$$ signing memorabilia? Has to be more than that, hell they aren't even on probation.
If the NCAA perceives A&M as thumbing their noses at them, then the possibility stands. Never presume that precedence has any bearing on NCAA rulings.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:27 pm to Winston-Wolf
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Bama had better hope that he plays b/c it'll be Colt McCoy all over again if he doesn't
"It would have been a different game if __________ was playing"
GTFO aTm
If they do this, A&M will simply prove they're just like Texas.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:29 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
If the NCAA got sued in a court of law they would dam well be entitled to discovery.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:30 pm to ChemE in the OP
recommendation? Does that basically mean A&M has the discretion?
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:31 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:Hard as hell to get catfished when eBay is saturated with signed memoribilia though. The stuff was there in abundance, for sale, at inflated prices I might add.....
Some of the texags tinfoil hat wearers think that ESPN is being catfished here (Manti Teo Style) and that the NCAA is a willing participant.
It's a damn wonder JM's hand didn't freakin fall off. No wonder his daddy would go back behind him and retraced over the sig with a sharpie when JM would "half-arse his signature."
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:32 pm to RT1941
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Hard as hell to get catfished when eBay is saturated with signed memoribilia though.
Rovell has been hit before. Remember the story about the owner of an escort service who was going to lose money due to the NBA lockout? Turned out to be a teenage kid who made it up just to frick with Rovell.
Logically, it might be in the NCAA's best interest to show ESPN that the NCAA, and not ESPN, runs college athletics.
Since ESPN seems to be screaming for Manziel's head, maybe the NCAA will tell ESPN to frick off by finding no wrongdoing.
They did it before by neutering the Longhorn Network before it even launched (or have we forgotten about ESPN's $300 Million failed investment...)
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:41 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Hard as hell to get catfished when eBay is saturated with signed memoribilia though.
quote:I suppose anything is possible.
Rovell has been hit before. Remember the story about the owner of an escort service who was going to lose money due to the NBA lockout? Turned out to be a teenage kid who made it up just to frick with Rovell.
Logically, it might be in the NCAA's best interest to show ESPN that the NCAA, and not ESPN, runs college athletics.
Since ESPN seems to be screaming for Manziel's head, maybe the NCAA will tell ESPN to frick off by finding no wrongdoing.
JFF signed a buttload of shite for his own parents (I'd love to know where all those 100's of jersey's on the dinning room table ended up), and the carloads of shite his momma had for him to sign.
The kid took quality time out of his busy schedule to travel to various destinations to sign memoribilia that landed on eBay in sequential order and was authenticated by the top autograph authenticators in the buisness......
Now, hopefully JFF had the sense to tell the NCAA investigators that he thought he was signing for fans, family, and charities and not for resale, and that he has no idea if "Uncle Nate" received compensation for his services to get these signing sessions organized, etc. JFF has to also have sense enough to not breath one word to a fellow teammate about his +6 hour interview with the NCAA officials. And, he has to have sense enough to STFU on social media, in the locker room, on the streets, etc. about everything that has transpired.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:43 pm to RT1941
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And, he has to have sense enough to STFU on social media, in the locker room, on the streets, etc. about everything that has transpired
There's a tracking .gif right now that says: "It has now been 27 days since a tweet from Johnny Football"
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:45 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Manziels will not sue NCAA if he is guility,
The NCAA never has, does not, and never will have subpoena authority.
They are not a court of law.
They are not a law enforcement agency.
In the case you are mentioning, they would be a defendant and the discovery process would take effect.
This means subpoena power, depositions and discovery under oath. The autograph brokers would be order to testify and would face contempt and jail time if the refused. I assume it would be filed or removed to Federal court and they have nationwide subpoena power, (Some restrictions but not worth explaining here) etc. Would be a very dumb move.
The NCAA never has, does not, and never will have subpoena authority.
They are not a court of law.
They are not a law enforcement agency.
In the case you are mentioning, they would be a defendant and the discovery process would take effect.
This means subpoena power, depositions and discovery under oath. The autograph brokers would be order to testify and would face contempt and jail time if the refused. I assume it would be filed or removed to Federal court and they have nationwide subpoena power, (Some restrictions but not worth explaining here) etc. Would be a very dumb move.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:46 pm to TutHillTiger
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This means subpoena power, depositions and discovery under oath. The autograph brokers would be order to testify and would face contempt and jail time if the refused. I assume it would be filed or removed to Federal court and they have nationwide subpoena power, (Some restrictions but not worth explaining here) etc. Would be a very dumb move.
The NCAA has none of those authorities. The courts do.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:48 pm to RBWilliams8
If they played him this season, then they'd lose money from the bowl and conference championship bans they could received. Additionally, all their wins with him would be vacated. What would happen if he was ruled ineligible yet played against and beat Alabama? The game shouldn't count. How do you deal with such a loss in the BCS Standings? You'd have to treat it as if the game had never been played. Additionally, this would only hurt Alabama's strength of schedule.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:52 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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The NCAA never has, does not, and never will have subpoena authority. They are not a court of law. They are not a law enforcement agency.
Wow. If Johnny files a lawsuit the NCAA lawyers would have subpoena power.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:53 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
It he is guilty and NCAA rules that aTm has to sit him
If this scenario happens his idiot lawyer will sue the crap outta the university
If this scenario happens his idiot lawyer will sue the crap outta the university
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:55 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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The NCAA has none of those authorities. The courts do.
If the NCAA were to become the defendant in a civil trial, they would be able to utilize the court's subpoena power to perform discovery. Bank records, phone records, witness testimony, etc would all be guaranteed if the NCAA is sued.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:00 pm to BuccWildBammer
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It he is guilty and NCAA rules that aTm has to sit him
If this scenario happens his idiot lawyer will sue the crap outta the university
Bingo! Why do you think the Chancellor, Gene Stallings, & others came out saying JFF did nothing wrong. A&M is having to appease the Manziel family as well as deal with NCAA. They are between a rock & hardspot. Apparently JFF's knowledge of possible wrongdoings can be used as leverage.
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:00 pm to PrivatePublic
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so what's the downside?
To blatantly ignoring the recommendation? Sanctions. Probation. Bowl bans. Scholarship losses.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:13 pm to Big12fan
And those admissions give the Manziels just cause
Their chancellor opening his big mouth is all they needed, if the NCAA says "sit him" the Manziels will file a future wages justification suit saying the University didn't protect him and have his best interest
The only reason any memorabilia dealer ever pays money to get a signature verified is when there is a large amount of items all being released at once, there was so many in his case that it flagged the NCAA. The memorabilia dealers I'm sure are getting harassed at this point by the NCAA and ignoring every single phone call, if their is a lawsuit involved and the court grants subpoena power that is when the proverbial shite hits the fan with this
Their chancellor opening his big mouth is all they needed, if the NCAA says "sit him" the Manziels will file a future wages justification suit saying the University didn't protect him and have his best interest
The only reason any memorabilia dealer ever pays money to get a signature verified is when there is a large amount of items all being released at once, there was so many in his case that it flagged the NCAA. The memorabilia dealers I'm sure are getting harassed at this point by the NCAA and ignoring every single phone call, if their is a lawsuit involved and the court grants subpoena power that is when the proverbial shite hits the fan with this
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:21 pm to BuccWildBammer
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Their chancellor opening his big mouth is all they needed, if the NCAA says "sit him" the Manziels will file a future wages justification suit saying the University didn't protect him and have his best interest
They don't have a case. The university doesn't have an obligation to protect him or consider his best interests. The school is only obligated to not put him in a harmful situation. Him choosing to fly all over the country signing autographs is not a harmful situation that the university subjected him to.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:26 pm to skrayper
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I don't recall ever seeing a case involving thousands of signatures.
Because to my knowledge it had never happened. The NCAA isn't going to use this against #2, to much political ill will right now and Emmert is fighting for his job. JC and Braxton could also be called into question with this arbitrary rule.
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If the NCAA perceives A&M as thumbing their noses at them, then the possibility stands. Never presume that precedence has any bearing on NCAA rulings.
Thumbing their nose and not following a recommendation are two different things. If thy play him against NCAA wishes then they only open themselves up to vacated w's and #2 eligibility issues not major violations. If, again I have said this 10x's they covered up or hid evidence yeah they could get hit hard. But everything I have read doesn't indicate that.
In years gone by I would agree with you, the NCAA hasn't needed anything more than what they want to happen. But the last few months, Emmert and the lose of a lot of their enforcement officers have dinged the NCAA pretty hard. Not a fight I see them wanting right now.
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