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Alabama: 16 + 21 + 28 = +65 (Big 1) :dude:


Florida: 27 + 10 = +37 (Big 2) :bow:





Tennessee: 7 (Who cares?) :rolleyes:

Bottom 11 :rotflmao:
LSU: 7 + 14 - 21 = 0
Auburn: 3 - 3 = 0
Rest of SEC: 0

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LSU has always been able to stop those offenses no matter the amount of talent or ranking they have.

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LSU didn't shut down Ole Miss in 2010, 2012, and 2013, but I suppose "rivalry" games are excluded from your argument even though said rival hasn't been an SEC power in half a century.

Can we separate the question into 2 categories, namely offline and online?

This is my main stop for college football discussion and sports news, but I used to regularly visit ESPN.

Primarily due to my observations and interactions with members on this site, Georgia and Texas A&M were my least favorite fanbases before the 2013 season. I'd like to say that I don't "hate" any fanbase here, but if I had to pick one, I guess I'd pick the SEC Rant Auburn fanbase despite their funny trolls.

In real life, I don't really hate any fanbase. I talk to few people in real life regarding football, and most are just Alabama or Auburn fans. Furthermore, I've never been to a college football game to personally experience fanbases.

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Good idea.

I have a few ideas of my own, too, on some topics that haven't gotten nearly enough conversation:

1. Saban to Texas
2. Alabama's easy SEC schedule
3. Mark Richt losing control of his program.
4. Johnny Manziel's personal life.

My best idea is one that has not been covered and we really should talk it out: The 2011 BCS Championship and the fact that LSU and Alabama played a rematch.

Let me know what ya'll think - I'm ready to start threads as soon as you give me the word.

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:lol: I know the 2011 season has been beaten to death, so we could just skip it. What about the other 8? If all these topics have been discussed extensively before, then that's one thing, but I doubt you could link me to those discussions since they don't exist.

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Worst act on earth?

Horrible, without a doubt. Worse than murder? No.

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You posted this before your angle became clear.
I just finished reading the debates here.
From a neutral perspective, i.e. when a total stranger that you have no personal connection to is the victim, which one affects those that care about them and their community more? I'm surprised that question wasn't posed here.

In the case of a sexual crime, I think we can agree that the victim suffers the most. In the case of murder, it gets much deeper than that. That's a key difference between the two; though from a human's perspective, they're both abominable acts.
Pigfeet —

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Just depends on the situation, I guess.

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Yes, I could agree with this. All humans are different and wouldn't react the same way if a loved one was murdered or sexually abused. There are countless actions that people close to the victim could take, many of which are bad. Some people move on, while other people that know the victim let it haunt them for the rest of their life too, etc.
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There's probably no point is debating whether rape or murder is worse. They're both pretty fricking bad, way beyond any threshold of understanding by any decent human being. Committing either act places a person among the absolute worst of humankind.

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I could agree with this.
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No. But I know that, as horrible as it sounds, I would rather one of my kids be raped than be murdered.

You can bring someone back from the earth-shattering consequences of rape. And that person can go on to live a great life as a spouse and parent. I've seen it first hand.

Now, had this person been murdered? Nothing. Nothingness. No hope for having a relationship with them at all.

Give me the chance of having a relationship for the rest of my life with one of my future kids over them dying any day of the week.

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Yes, obviously one's opinion on many crimes and activities would change if they've experienced it first or secondhand. I think I can understand where you're coming from. In a way though, can't a victim of abuse sometimes be compared to someone with a disorder or disability that adversely affects their life? If someone's murdered, then there's no telling how they would have lived the remainder of their life. My question is, would you prefer a loved to live a life of misery after a traumatic experience? If you can't enjoy life to your potential or its fullest, is it best that you stick around for others or the fear of the unknown?
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i understand that view.

but i also think that rape (and certainly raping a child) is always black and white open and shut no gray area at all.

as far as murder goes, i think sometimes there are gray areas- i'm talking murder in general (not legal terms). there's temporary insanity, there's self defense, there's murdering some guy who hurt (or raped) your child/loved one. i'm not saying is a good idea but i can understand the action in my head whereas i can't/will never understand a sick pedo.

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Yeah, I can agree with the whole different shades of murder thing. People with mental defects, psychological problems, or that choose to be intoxicated can perform heinous acts though that would introduce different shades to whatever crime they committed while under the influence of such no? Life's complicated. In the end, there isn't a good excuse for serious sex crimes, and murder is likely rarely the answer for anything.
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I honestly don't understand how someone who repeatedly rapes a young child can get sentenced to such a short amount of time either. That, in & of itself, is a travesty. Shame on the judge who handed down such a light sentence. I assure you, the offending pedophile would not make it from the prison to the vehicle, alive, upon his release had he done that to my child.

Since the murder vs. rape (which is worse?) issue did come up, I'd like to comment on it, briefly. I suggest those who believe young victims of violent rape go on to lead happy, normal lives do a bit of research on that. The vast majority of these victims do not tell anyone what happened to them for years, if ever; therefore, the trauma, shame, and horror manifests itself in drug abuse, criminal activity, all kinds of psychological issues ranging from severe depression to bipolar disorder, and suicide. These victims are robbed of their childhoods, not only physically, but perhaps more traumatically, psychologically & emotionally, and the horrific effects remain with them for the rest of their lives. Unless the victims receive extensive psychiatric counseling (meaning years), it is impossible for them to have "normal" relationships or "normal" lives because of the overwhelming inner turmoil they suffer. They, in effect, get handed a "life sentence" by the disgusting excuse for a human being who violated them.

In my opinion, there are certain crimes that are just as heinous, if not more so, than murder - child rape being at the top of the list. This crime should carry the same punishment as murder since the perpetrator, in actuality, robs and kills any chance these children have of a "normal" life.

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:bow: You summarized the consequences of rape from an objective standpoint excellently.
ocelot4ark —

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But there's no guarantee that the rape will destroy the victim. Murder will DEFINITELY destroy the victim. They are gone.

To say that murder is less severe than rape, IMO, is akin to saying that you'd rather your child be dead than alive and broken.

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But again though, what if the victim is someone that you personally don't know and didn't care for? What if the victim of murder is already broken inside and their support or counseling isn't helping? Some people want to be put out of their misery. That's a different topic, but like someone else said, murder isn't so clear cut all the time; though it's hard to justify from a moral, ethical, or rational standpoint.
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Child abuse is imo, the single biggest problem in the United States and it gets zero attention because it is an uncomfortable subject.

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If you extend the word "abuse" to include parental neglect, the broken home, poverty, physical abuse, emotional abuse, psychological abuse by peers and family, etc. then perhaps I could agree with you. However, if you're using "abuse" in the sense of this topic, then I'm curious as to why you believe it's the biggest problem in this country if you don't mind me asking.

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The recent past? Give the offseason on the SECr a few more months and people will start arguing about games from the 70's. Hell, I still get pissed about the 1985 Iron Bowl and that a-hole Van Tiffin.

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:lol: Thanks for trying to cheer me up.
Have a nice day! I'm out of this thread.

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Be honest.....no you weren't.

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I was stuck in the denial phase until the Sugar Bowl. 45-31 allowed me to quit dwelling on 34-28. My grief over the Iron Bowl is probably unhealthy, but this is my first time experiencing grief over a sporting event. I don't know how to handle it or move on especially when I'm a part of an SEC community that will mention the recent past.

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Yep nothing Auburn players did caused this. You got us smarty pants guy.

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I've stated numerous times that Auburn won the execution battle both times. Don't act like the series of events that transpired in the final minute were the only options. Auburn took advantage of Alabama's frick ups just like Oklahoma. Goodness, you guys are really strengthening my hatred towards Auburn. I hope this doesn't manifest itself in real life when I talk to my Auburn friends. I need to back out of this thread and take a breather.

I was over the Iron Bowl, but you guys have brought back the grief. :wah:

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Did you watch Auburn football this year or are you just making the typical generalizations

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I was talking about the Iron Bowl.
Offensive red zone touchdowns —
UA: 3
AU: 2
Points scored from outside the red zone —
UA: 7
AU: 20

Alabama scored 3 consecutive red zone touchdowns in the 2nd quarter. Auburn made their usual 2nd half adjustments, and Alabama did not counter them.

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Or if AU had not gone in a shell in the fourh quarter after being up 20 points.

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Is that what really happened? Hmm, my Auburn friend told me that Georgia started their comeback by exploiting Auburn's weakness, slant routes. Auburn is fortunate they didn't face a full strength, healthy Georgia. If both teams were healthy and at full strength in that game, I think Auburn loses.