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re: Will there ever be a successful push to drop Ole Miss/Rebels?
Posted on 10/30/12 at 11:33 pm to ChewyDante
Posted on 10/30/12 at 11:33 pm to ChewyDante
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Aside from the fact the Confederacy didn't simply, "declare war" against the Union,
Attacking a US held fort, which is basically a US territory, can be considered an act of war.
But the South did not go up north to try and do this, they were stopped at Gettysburg before they had the chance. No one is saying it wasn't brutal or immoral, it was. All wars are brutal and immoral and all wars have civilian casualties. There were civilian casualties in Britan and Berlin, Japan and Pearl Harbor. This shite happens in war. It is justified because the North won. Just how it would have been justified if the South won, like you said.
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Posted on 10/30/12 at 11:34 pm to 10888bge
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Attacking a US held fort, which is basically a US territory, can be considered an act of war.
They shouldn't have been holding a damn fort in my damn country and they should've left when we asked them to nicely.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 11:41 pm to 10888bge
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The entire south's wealth was founded on the slave trade. Not commerce, Industry, Shipping or any other monetary endevours. Slavery and power that is associated with it would not have been given up by the south, it was "Way of Life".
Makes one wonder why one of the largest slave yards in this country was located in Washington DC. I doubt dumbass southerners would travel that far to buy slaves. Lincoln was a pure racist but he gets portrayed as a hero.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 11:50 pm to dkreller
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I don't think anything should have changed.
Yeah, because those flags did wonders for our recruiting.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 11:50 pm to John Maplethorpe
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Rebels obviously is a tribute to the confederacy. A bloody war that was fought in large part so that the south could continue the terrible practice of slavery. It should go away.
Tyler Lee high school in Texas gave up their rebel mascot years ago.
Go back to the Big 12, you fricking pussy.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 11:57 pm to 10888bge
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You have been on and on about how the South had the right to secede, and it did not.
10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Nothing in the Constitution said that States could not peacefully secede; therefore, under the 10th amendment, they had the right to secede.
Lincoln exceeded his power when he declared the states were rebellious and treasonous. They were nothing of the sort. They did not seek to overthrow the United States government. They simply did not want to be part of it.
This post was edited on 10/31/12 at 12:01 am
Posted on 10/31/12 at 12:02 am to crimsonsaint
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Makes one wonder why one of the largest slave yards in this country was located in Washington DC
To be fair, the reason Washington DC is placed in Virginia/Maryland is so that it would allied with southern interests rather than northern. How it is now is not how it was.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 12:04 am to 10888bge
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All right let me get this back on track for a second. I honestly think the changing of the mascot was a good idea. Why would a group of people want to be associated with a grim moment in the civil rights movement where they were proved to be wrong.
The Col Reb mascot looked identical to Col Sanders IMO. Where's the outrage with KFC's "image"?
Posted on 10/31/12 at 12:07 am to nc14
I would recommend "The Real Lincoln" for those that are uneducated on the motivations of the War of Aggression
Posted on 10/31/12 at 1:10 am to Henry Jones Jr
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No. Riots will start up again if they try that shite.
Because the rioters won last time.
Neither Ole Miss nor Rebels will be dropped. You can find people who were okay with From Dixie With love being taken away because of TSWRA and you can find people who are okay with replacing Col.Reb with Rebel Black Bear. I supported both changes... but the University is Ole Miss and her sports teams are the Rebels and always will be. You couldn't find a handful of Ole Miss fans who would disagree.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 1:30 am to inelishaitrust
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You couldn't find a handful of Ole Miss fans who would disagree.
^^^^^^^^^^ THIS
I'm so tired of people that have never been to Mississippi or Ole Miss trying to dictate what we should do. If you don't understand the traditions and don't have first hand experience of the culture and what everything means to the people that call it home stop trying to tell me what "Ole Miss" and "Rebels" should mean to me. Neither of these phrases have racist connotations in my mind.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 6:16 am to crimsonsaint
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Makes one wonder why one of the largest slave yards in this country was located in Washington DC. I doubt dumbass southerners would travel that far to buy slaves. Lincoln was a pure racist but he gets portrayed as a hero.
DC is south of the Mason Dixon line.
Maryland and Virginia were slave states.
Alexandria, Virginia (just across the Potomac from DC) was one of the largest slave ports in the country.
So, no, it doesn't "make one wonder" why there were slaves in DC.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 6:17 am to crimsonsaint
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The Col Reb mascot looked identical to Col Sanders IMO. Where's the outrage with KFC's "image"?
Well Colonel Sanders was an actual person who actually dressed that way and actually fried chicken for people. There's a difference there.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 6:21 am to olemissfan26
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I'm so tired of people that have never been to Mississippi or Ole Miss trying to dictate what we should do. If you don't understand the traditions and don't have first hand experience of the culture and what everything means to the people that call it home stop trying to tell me what "Ole Miss" and "Rebels" should mean to me. Neither of these phrases have racist connotations in my mind.
In addition, if you're not from Mississippi or not alumni or a student of Ole Miss (or just a fan), then you have no fricking business telling US how to deal with OUR history and OUR perceptions.
I get so pissed when people say "OMG Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE NEVER GOTTEN RID OF DIXIE AND THE FLAG!!1" Really? We shouldn't have? Then why did your school get rid of those things? I think a lot of people outside of Ole Miss see what they want to see in Ole Miss, and that's either "Ole Miss is a proud bastion of 'our' Southern 'heritage'" or "TSUN IS RACIST LOL!1"
And, by the way, I just got here, and I'm not reading this entire thread. Here's the skinny from here on out: all of you motherfrickers who aren't me are wrong.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:01 am to DCRebel
Ole Miss pep band played Dixie at War Memorial in Little Rock. Was sitting maybe 20 yards from them.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:17 am to DCRebel
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Well Colonel Sanders was an actual person who actually dressed that way and actually fried chicken for people. There's a difference there.
Meanwhile Col Reb was a fictitious cartoon caricature born in 1979 that needed to be done away with?
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:19 am to WonderWartHawg
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Ole Miss pep band played Dixie at War Memorial in Little Rock. Was sitting maybe 20 yards from them.
They do still play Dixie, but it's not played nearly as often and it's a slightly different rendition. They don't play From Dixie With Love ("Slow Dixie") anymore.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:20 am to crimsonsaint
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Meanwhile Col Reb was a fictitious cartoon caricature born in 1979 that needed to be done away with?
He was around long before 1979 as a cartoon, but that's when the mascot debuted. And since he is a fictional cartoon character, there's a lot of ambiguity as to what he represents or could represent. That ambiguity presents a problem. WIth a guy like Colonel Sanders, who was a real person, there isn't as much room for ambiguity.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 7:38 am to DCRebel
If the war was about slavery, why didn't lincoln abolish slavery in the emancipation proclamation? He specifically maintained slavery within this proclamation. Seems like the argument the war was to end slavery holds absolutely no water.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 8:03 am to notsince98
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If the war was about slavery, why didn't lincoln abolish slavery in the emancipation proclamation? He specifically maintained slavery within this proclamation. Seems like the argument the war was to end slavery holds absolutely no water.
yup slavery had zero to do with this, they should have just let the states decide when to end slavery, it wasn't like the constitution said all men were created equal. So therefore the states should have had the chance to decide when to end the business practice of slavery.
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