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re: The SEC Big Six vs. The SEC Big Six in the Modern Era
Posted on 6/5/12 at 8:35 pm to Choot em Tiger
Posted on 6/5/12 at 8:35 pm to Choot em Tiger
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If LSU didn't have to play Florida every year they might be part of the Big 4 on this list.
We still have a winning record against auburn
Cant understand how auburn is part of the big 4
SEC Championships:
Alabama:22
UT: 13
GA: 12
LSU: 11
UF: 8
au: 7
OM: 6
GT: 5
They have 1 more than Ole Miss and 2 more than Ga Tech ( Which left the SEC in 1965 ) and if you ask me they are not in the big 5...
Posted on 6/5/12 at 8:41 pm to plutonium55
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This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 6/5/12 at 8:45 pm to plutonium55
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You sure its not 20-20-1 ?????
You're right, it is.
I looked it up in my 2002 AU media guide, saw that it said that it was 19-17-1 up to the year 2001, so I added the 3-1 record from the 2002-2008 to it, to give me 22-18-1.
The mistake I made was that the 19-17-1 figure stated (in parentheses) that "VU leads". Doh!
Sorry about that... your figures are correct and my math sucked.
Still, the fact is that Vandy hasn't done shite against us since 1950, so if people wanna be all happy and shite that Vandy won about 12 games against us in the 1930's and 1940's, have fun!
This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 6/5/12 at 8:47 pm to plutonium55
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Cant understand how auburn is part of the big 4
SEC Championships:
Alabama:22
UT: 13
GA: 12
LSU: 11
UF: 9
au: 7
OM: 6
GT: 5
They have 1 more than Ole Miss and 2 more than Ga Tech ( Which left the SEC in 1965 ) and if you ask me they are not in the big 5...
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 8:49 pm to plutonium55
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Cant understand how auburn is part of the big 4
SEC Championships:
Alabama:22
UT: 13
GA: 12
LSU: 11
UF: 8
au: 7
Winning records against Big Six opponents
Bama - 5
Florida - 3
Auburn - 3
Tennessee - 2
LSU - 1
Georgia - 0
Total games played vs. Big Six opponents
Auburn - 253
Bama - 236
Florida - 235
Georgia - 201
Tennessee - 189
LSU - 180
Winning percentage vs. Big Six opponents
Bama - 59%
Florida - 55%
Auburn - 50%
Tennessee - 46%
LSU - 44%
Georgia - 43%
There y'are! Happy to help!
Posted on 6/5/12 at 8:56 pm to beatbammer
And Less championships
And losing record vs LSU
And losing record vs LSU
This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 6/5/12 at 8:56 pm to beatbammer
Auburn has been on probation for many of their wins. I don't think those should count. How many times have Aubies been penalized by the NCAA?
Posted on 6/5/12 at 9:03 pm to beatbammer
UF is still relevant with these stats. I like.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 9:15 pm to gatordmb89
And I still claim 84 as an SEC title since they never took the trophy back.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 9:22 pm to Bernie Moore
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How many times have Aubies been penalized by the NCAA?
Everytime Bama cheats.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 9:35 pm to Bellabama
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I've seen the mark of the modern era determined by things such as the use of full facemasks (1951) and the coaches poll, which was 1950.
Sorry, but the modern era of SEC football has to be an era that included black athletes. When 80% of the starters for SEC football programs in 2011 were black, then the acceptance of black players in SEC schools is the beginning of the "modern era". Any other definition is totally and completely worthless.
Bama's first black player played in 1971. For, LSU it was 1972. That is the beginning of the modern era of SEC football.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:05 pm to Tammany Tom
Sorry, that's just your opinion. I was using a point of reference that I've seen used before. It's often used because there was a gap of flux caused by WW2, and it represents a period of time that wasn't marked by any major changes...
Besides... I grew up hearing people I love and admire who played football in the 60's talking about their stories, and I refuse to accept that they aren't "modern". It's not like they are THAT old, or played in the 20's.
Besides... I grew up hearing people I love and admire who played football in the 60's talking about their stories, and I refuse to accept that they aren't "modern". It's not like they are THAT old, or played in the 20's.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:08 pm to Tammany Tom
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Bama's first black player played in 1971. For, LSU it was 1972. That is the beginning of the modern era of SEC football.
But Kentucky and Arkansas had them sooner. Alabama had black walk-on as early as 1967. That isn't exactly the best standard to have a cut-off for the "modern era". It's going to be different for most every program.
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:23 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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But Kentucky and Arkansas had them sooner. Alabama had black walk-on as early as 1967. That isn't exactly the best standard to have a cut-off for the "modern era". It's going to be different for most every program.
Exactly. College football is constantly changing, and is marked by various milestones that become arbitrary in that each milestone seems to be a significant improvement upon the older system. There will always be a more "modernizing" event. You have to find the point in time which two different periods have a marked differential in the way in which the game was played or the equipment that was used, and the ways in which the changes started laying the groundwork for future milestones. The natural break is the 50's. If you want to be technical, you could pick 1960. That would include integration amongst some college teams, the incorporation of the Back Judge, a uniform 10 game season, a 2-point conversion rule, the alignment of jerseys and the numerals that were eligible to receive a forward pass, and dedicating players to offense or defense.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:12 am to CapstoneGrad06
You guys get my point (or should). With black players accounting for 80% of the starters in the SEC last year, their integration into the game is the single biggest factor in ushering football into the modern game that we all watch today.
I think any discussion of "modern college football" has to include the race that currently represents 80% of the participants starting the game. The athleticism and speed brought by blacks to the game of college football changed it forever.
Yes, Kentucky was the first SEC team to play a black player in 1967. Tennessee followed in 1968. Florida first played a black player on their varsity team in 1970. Bama, Auburn, and Georgia followed in 1971. LSU and Ole Miss first played a black player in 1972.
With the list above, you get a good idea that the early 70's were the dawn of the game that now represents modern football. If you want to use 1970 as a good, round number, then so be it. But, anything prior to 1970 is not modern football. It was a game played by players in most cases would never even see the field, much less excel in it with the addition of black athletes.
For anyone to say that football played in 1958 or 1965 represents what we watch today is lying to themselves.
I think any discussion of "modern college football" has to include the race that currently represents 80% of the participants starting the game. The athleticism and speed brought by blacks to the game of college football changed it forever.
Yes, Kentucky was the first SEC team to play a black player in 1967. Tennessee followed in 1968. Florida first played a black player on their varsity team in 1970. Bama, Auburn, and Georgia followed in 1971. LSU and Ole Miss first played a black player in 1972.
With the list above, you get a good idea that the early 70's were the dawn of the game that now represents modern football. If you want to use 1970 as a good, round number, then so be it. But, anything prior to 1970 is not modern football. It was a game played by players in most cases would never even see the field, much less excel in it with the addition of black athletes.
For anyone to say that football played in 1958 or 1965 represents what we watch today is lying to themselves.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:12 am to Tammany Tom
modern era = when I started watching
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:29 am to beatbammer
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(For purposes of these calculations, I have defined "Modern Era" as 1950-2011)
Not quite sure why this is considered the cutoff. Sooner fans do the same so there must be a basis. I always considered 'modern' (what we see today) as beginning in the 80's. Canes/FSU demonstrated speed kills, also with a strong passing attack, scholarship limitations (starting with 95 in 1977 then over time down to current 85) and most importantly, a plethora of TV stations. No longer could a coach say "Come here and momma can see you 7 times a year...go there and momma can see you 1 time a year...getting beat by us."
I'm not sure what year I would have cut-off but I would say FSU over NU 1/1/88 Fiesta Bowl sealed the deal on the new era being permanent.
Just imo.
This post was edited on 6/6/12 at 12:43 am
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:31 am to beatbammer
BTW, my sig is my favorite cut/paste history. Triumphant 21st century and all that.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:32 am to beatbammer
Modern era should only include BCS
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:34 am to Jon Ham
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1987 would be a better year to set the mark IMO, or heck, 1992 if we are talking strictly SEC.
Just read this after my first post...sounds like we may be on same page. What are your reasons for 1987?
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