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Posted on 5/14/12 at 10:45 am to Big12fan
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Texas doesn't desire to be in the SEC, although if they did, it could happen in about a day & a half.
The SEC already has the state of Texas for the new network, and we don't have to deal with all of UT's drama. I think we came out ok on that end, honestly.
Posted on 5/14/12 at 10:47 am to attheua
All the SEC wanted was $$$$$$$. The SEC was the best and still is even with these noobs.
Posted on 5/14/12 at 10:51 am to Big12fan
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Texas doesn't desire to be in the SEC, although if they did, it could happen in about a day & a half.
Hrmmmmmmm....citation needed
Posted on 5/14/12 at 11:09 am to 10888bge
A&M is in a transition period and is literally changing the course of their future with the move to the SEC.
A&M, NU, CU, and MU all left for the same reasons. Mainly stability and a chance to be in a better conference. All four did exactly that.
People can come on here and state their opinions about A&M's motive for leaving, but they were joined by three other strong programs walking out the door.
A&M is very good program who has enjoyed a fair amount of football success in its history. I think the move to the SEC will ultimately be the smartest thing we ever did and will take us to the level of a program we want to be.
Haters gonna hate.
A&M, NU, CU, and MU all left for the same reasons. Mainly stability and a chance to be in a better conference. All four did exactly that.
People can come on here and state their opinions about A&M's motive for leaving, but they were joined by three other strong programs walking out the door.
A&M is very good program who has enjoyed a fair amount of football success in its history. I think the move to the SEC will ultimately be the smartest thing we ever did and will take us to the level of a program we want to be.
Haters gonna hate.
Posted on 5/14/12 at 11:56 am to Bob Ag
Wow, I'd give my left nut to pull off an upset against Texas this fall and shut these douches the frick up. Iowa State made it happen a year or two ago, so maybe there's hope 
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Posted on 5/14/12 at 12:23 pm to Grateful Reb
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Wow, I'd give my left nut to pull off an upset against Texas this fall and shut these douches the frick up.
Do it!
Posted on 5/14/12 at 12:34 pm to Big12fan
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Saying you have an advantage and seeing it come to fruition are not the same thing. The SEC was the best league for football before A&M joined. Texas doesn't desire to be in the SEC, although if they did, it could happen in about a day & a half. A&M needed to make this move to become somewhat significant & you thought that you could keep playing your rival. Sorry it didn't work out for you and as the tee shirt says ... 76-35-5 Now GTFO.
So do you disagree with what LonghornLawyer said in 2009? Have things changed since then?
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The problem with A&M is different. Leaving aside the politics of the issue–and with the Lt. Governor being an A&M grad, it’s impossible to leave politics aside–Texas’ nightmare scenario is having A&M join the SEC. It is no coincidence that during the ten years out of its history when A&M was good at football (primarily due to SMU-level cheating), Texas was terrible. There are only so many top-tier recruits in Texas, and there are just not enough to feed Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M. Somebody’s got to get left out. If A&M were to join the SEC, it would give A&M a real recruiting advantage that it doesn’t presently have. Worse, it would open the Texas recruiting pool to teams like LSU and Alabama and reopen it to Arkansas.
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Texas doesn't desire to be in the SEC, although if they did, it could happen in about a day & a half.
I think we need a poll on this.
Why would the SEC want the longhorns now? What do the longhorns have that A&M does not already deliver (other than female cheerleaders)? Why would the SEC want to put up with Delost Dodds' arrogant turtle face?
If the longhorns aren't jelly, what is all this butthurt about?
Posted on 5/14/12 at 12:43 pm to KaiserSoze99
Last time I checked, David Dewhurst (Lieutenant Governor) was an Arizona grad.
Rick Perry hasn't been the Lieutenant Governor since December 2000.
Rick Perry hasn't been the Lieutenant Governor since December 2000.
Posted on 5/14/12 at 1:12 pm to KaiserSoze99
This:
KaizerSoze99 on page 1
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As a native Texan who chose to go to LSU with a sister who is a UT alumna, I've been able to gain an outsider's perspective on the Big 12 while being immersed in its culture.
The Big 12 has been dysfunctional from the moment of its inception. The conference never embraced its championship game which most of its member schools viewed as a liability. Unlike the SEC championship, several Big 12 schools have allowed opportunities to play for a national title slip away with poor performances in the Big 12 Championship. The favored team is often the victim of a major upset which stems from the fact that the game scares its member institutions, unlike SEC schools who relish the opportunity to have an outright champion decided on the field.
The league also has no revenue sharing like the SEC does. When an SEC school goes to a bowl, its entire earnings get split out to each member school equally, but not so in the Big 12: LINK
In 2011, in an effort to keep Missouri and A&M from bolting to the SEC, the league attempted to restructure its revenue sharing to no avail: LINK
The league was born amidst high expectations and misconceptions. When initially formed, everyone thought that the Northern division, with Nebraska at the height of its power in the 90s, would steamroll the South. The opposite happened. The league was thought to be the strongest in the country, but has turned out to be a poor man's SEC.
The consistent complaints in the league from Nebraska and A&M have been about Texas's behavior. SEC fans will cheer on other SEC schools in non-conference games, for the most part. With equal revenue sharing, what is good for one SEC school is good for all (which is why Bama's behavior this past season still baffles and puzzles me--VERY Texas-like, but that's another post). Texas does NOT share this philosophy. They want to be THE University--no one can stand above them in any way, so they will structure revenue deals that benefit only them and not the rest of the conference. If what is good for the conference is NOT good for the Longhorns, then it's no good.
A&M, by joining the SEC, finally has the opportunity to offer recruits something different than Texas can: an opportunity to play in a conference that has a level playing field economically. They are an equal player in this family of schools. In doing so, Texas has no power to tilt the revenue in their favor through use of "tradition" and "historical achievement," keeping A&M weak as a result. Since they no longer directly influence A&M's revenue, they fear that they will lose the regional hegemony they have worked so hard to build and maintain.
Welcome, Ags and Tigers, welcome! I hope you find our family more entertaining, profitable, and fulfilling to your communities than your last one.
KaizerSoze99 on page 1
And:
As a native Texan who chose to go to LSU with a sister who is a UT alumna, I've been able to gain an outsider's perspective on the Big 12 while being immersed in its culture.
The Big 12 has been dysfunctional from the moment of its inception. The conference never embraced its championship game which most of its member schools viewed as a liability. Unlike the SEC championship, several Big 12 schools have allowed opportunities to play for a national title slip away with poor performances in the Big 12 Championship. The favored team is often the victim of a major upset which stems from the fact that the game scares its member institutions, unlike SEC schools who relish the opportunity to have an outright champion decided on the field.
The league also has no revenue sharing like the SEC does. When an SEC school goes to a bowl, its entire earnings get split out to each member school equally, but not so in the Big 12: LINK
In 2011, in an effort to keep Missouri and A&M from bolting to the SEC, the league attempted to restructure its revenue sharing to no avail: LINK
The league was born amidst high expectations and misconceptions. When initially formed, everyone thought that the Northern division, with Nebraska at the height of its power in the 90s, would steamroll the South. The opposite happened. The league was thought to be the strongest in the country, but has turned out to be a poor man's SEC.
The consistent complaints in the league from Nebraska and A&M have been about Texas's behavior. SEC fans will cheer on other SEC schools in non-conference games, for the most part. With equal revenue sharing, what is good for one SEC school is good for all (which is why Bama's behavior this past season still baffles and puzzles me--VERY Texas-like, but that's another post). Texas does NOT share this philosophy. They want to be THE University--no one can stand above them in any way, so they will structure revenue deals that benefit only them and not the rest of the conference. If what is good for the conference is NOT good for the Longhorns, then it's no good.
A&M, by joining the SEC, finally has the opportunity to offer recruits something different than Texas can: an opportunity to play in a conference that has a level playing field economically. They are an equal player in this family of schools. In doing so, Texas has no power to tilt the revenue in their favor through use of "tradition" and "historical achievement," keeping A&M weak as a result. Since they no longer directly influence A&M's revenue, they fear that they will lose the regional hegemony they have worked so hard to build and maintain.
Welcome, Ags and Tigers, welcome! I hope you find our family more entertaining, profitable, and fulfilling to your communities than your last one.
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Posted on 5/14/12 at 1:24 pm to Daigeaux
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aTm needs to let the Texas crap go as does Mizzou with Kansas. You don't play them any longer. You have bigger fish to fry now. Ignoring Texas and KU will only piss them off more. Act like they don't exist.
Yeah in that 40 years when Bama and Auburn didn't play I'm sure they didn't hate each other either.
Posted on 5/14/12 at 1:26 pm to bluestem75
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A&M, by joining the SEC, finally has the opportunity to offer recruits something different than Texas can: an opportunity to play in a conference that has a level playing field economically. They are an equal player in this family of schools. In doing so, Texas has no power to tilt the revenue in their favor through use of "tradition" and "historical achievement," keeping A&M weak as a result. Since they no longer directly influence A&M's revenue, they fear that they will lose the regional hegemony they have worked so hard to build and maintain.
It doesn't matter what bullshite spin they try to throw out there, THIS is a VERY good description of EXACTLY what all the butthurt is about. Excellent, succinct description, bluestem...
Posted on 5/14/12 at 1:40 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Worse, it would open the Texas recruiting pool to teams like LSU and Alabama and reopen it to Arkansas.
Way back in 1988 -- when we played A&M on an annual basis, LSU had a whopping 29 players from Texas on our roster.
Yet Harvey Williams is the only name that really stands out to me from among that crowd of Texas recruits.
LINK
Shortly thereafter, we began a 6 year losing skid.
Do we really want lots and lots of Texas recruits on the roster?
Posted on 5/14/12 at 1:45 pm to KaiserSoze99
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It doesn't matter what bullshite spin they try to throw out there, THIS is a VERY good description of EXACTLY what all the butthurt is about. Excellent, succinct description, bluestem...
Regardless of the winning tradition of other schools, every tu fan honestly believes they are the greatest college football program on the planet. OU, Bama, Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Tennessee, ND, anyone that has more national titles, they obtained by being dirty programs or some other means. The tu "brand" they rightfully believe, is the most valuable brand in the country, the majority of which just has to do with population, yet it is still true. Yet, the SEC is a brand in itself. The conference patch on their uniforms is something they never valued, and felt is just watered down their own brand, never strengthening it.
The recent streak of the SEC, they hate, and even in light of their envy, they think they would be King if they ever joined. They just don't like that there is an entity out there that they can't rightfully claim they are more valuable than. They think their birthright as Texans makes them more valuable than anything thrown out there. Now, there is more to it. Aggies and teasips will forever be brothers. Their most obnoxious message board fans may despise us, and look down on us, and openly mock us, but the majority of the state, especially the wealthy part, is littered with us. Divided households are everywhere. And unlike Sooners, they live and work with us. They call us boss, or mom, or dad, or brother or sister. And they know we are Texans. And Texans in the SEC, they are afraid of.
Posted on 5/14/12 at 1:46 pm to KaiserSoze99
UTexas can butt hurt all they want. It's not going to make things any better for them. Texas is always going to have some really good teams, but the "good ole days" of being able to politically manipulate themselves into whatever position of advantage they desire have passed. They can bury their heads in the sand all they want.
Posted on 5/14/12 at 1:48 pm to BrerTiger
I'm sure the plethora of 1st round talent at the QB position would have been a tiny bit better than Jordan Jefferson.
Need I remind of 21-0? Or will some Tide fan remind you of the Texan at signal caller that delivered them their first MNC under Saban?
Need I remind of 21-0? Or will some Tide fan remind you of the Texan at signal caller that delivered them their first MNC under Saban?
Posted on 5/14/12 at 1:54 pm to TeLeFaWx
He was saying LSU doesn't benefit all that much from Texas talent. Alabama doesn't either, regardless of the QB.
I think the truth is that A&M gets better recruits. Texas continues to get top talent, but OU and other big 12 schools are the ones who suffer. The Red River Rivalry game is probably not going to be all that great in years to come.
I think the truth is that A&M gets better recruits. Texas continues to get top talent, but OU and other big 12 schools are the ones who suffer. The Red River Rivalry game is probably not going to be all that great in years to come.
Posted on 5/14/12 at 1:57 pm to bluestem75
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A&M, by joining the SEC, finally has the opportunity to offer recruits something different than Texas can: an opportunity to play in a conference that has a level playing field economically.
Recruits don't give a darn about revenue sharing.
Ultimately it comes down to winning. A&M has a great opportunity to do big things by being in the SEC. History is not exactly on their side...if you were average in the Big 12, what does that make you in the SEC??
Offering a recruit a chance to play football in the SEC is a lot different than offering a kid the chance to play WINNING football in the SEC.
Posted on 5/14/12 at 1:58 pm to TeLeFaWx
WVU is a top 25 program not top 50 lol. I know you are trying to get a rise, but we were ranked in top 25 even 2 of the 3 Stew years, and 7 of past 10 years, with 3 top 10 finishes.
WVU went unbeaten in 89 and 93 and lost title games to Notre Dame and Florida. Back then WVU played Penn State, VT, Miami, a much better Syracuse, Much better Pitt, etc. WVU leads the series with VT btw, splitting the last 4 games and that was before P white/slaton. WVU went into Norman in 82 and gave Barry and his 9th ranked sooners his worse home loss ever(at the time) and he had Marcus Dupree).
WVU has some history, but the future has never been as bright as it is right now. Except for right before RROD baled on us for Michigan, but we were still stuck in the BE. So id say with DH as a coach, and in a real conference for the 1st time ever, WVU's football fortunes have never been higher in its history.
BTW, already been said if FSU comes they are a full member instantly and so will WVU. WVU will get the same deal as FSU even though we dont have the brand FSU has. Texas is bending over backwards to keep people happy.
BTW im about to tart a new expansion thread involving the SEC.
WVU went unbeaten in 89 and 93 and lost title games to Notre Dame and Florida. Back then WVU played Penn State, VT, Miami, a much better Syracuse, Much better Pitt, etc. WVU leads the series with VT btw, splitting the last 4 games and that was before P white/slaton. WVU went into Norman in 82 and gave Barry and his 9th ranked sooners his worse home loss ever(at the time) and he had Marcus Dupree).
WVU has some history, but the future has never been as bright as it is right now. Except for right before RROD baled on us for Michigan, but we were still stuck in the BE. So id say with DH as a coach, and in a real conference for the 1st time ever, WVU's football fortunes have never been higher in its history.
BTW, already been said if FSU comes they are a full member instantly and so will WVU. WVU will get the same deal as FSU even though we dont have the brand FSU has. Texas is bending over backwards to keep people happy.
BTW im about to tart a new expansion thread involving the SEC.
Posted on 5/14/12 at 1:59 pm to Porky
For a solid year, it was "The SEC doesn't want Aggy."
Then, it was "Aggy never actually had an offer from the SEC."
Then, it was "Aggy's offer was only contingent on OU going with them.
Then, when it was painfully obvious that both sides wanted to make this happen, they sent their little bitch servant Baylor to try and muck up the waters with threats of a lawsuit. And don't kid yourself, Baylor wouldn't have pulled that crap unless they got the o.k. from Texas. They are a puppet. Nothing more, nothing less.
Then, finally, it was "We don't care anyways, good riddance. The conference will be better off without you". It's pretty much been that way ever since.
This is simply what happens when an institution that was always used to getting it's way was finally told to frick off. I'm sure they will have fun in that joke of a conference with the vast majority of schools being there only because they didn't have the power to get out.
Then, it was "Aggy never actually had an offer from the SEC."
Then, it was "Aggy's offer was only contingent on OU going with them.
Then, when it was painfully obvious that both sides wanted to make this happen, they sent their little bitch servant Baylor to try and muck up the waters with threats of a lawsuit. And don't kid yourself, Baylor wouldn't have pulled that crap unless they got the o.k. from Texas. They are a puppet. Nothing more, nothing less.
Then, finally, it was "We don't care anyways, good riddance. The conference will be better off without you". It's pretty much been that way ever since.
This is simply what happens when an institution that was always used to getting it's way was finally told to frick off. I'm sure they will have fun in that joke of a conference with the vast majority of schools being there only because they didn't have the power to get out.
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