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Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:08 pm to jddawg58
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:10 pm to adammwilson
I blame everyone with knowledge of what happened. When a child is raped, you don't tell your boss and just forget about it. You call the police. You don't worry about your job or career. If you do, then you're a piece of garbage. You don't let a child get raped and dismiss it, so you can save your job.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:11 pm to jddawg58
jddawg, you're wrong, really wrong.
It might have been a legally sufficient response, but it falls way short of what has to be expected of a coach of young men, and figurehead of an entire school.
If losing a fricking football game is a fireable offense, this is much, much more.
It might have been a legally sufficient response, but it falls way short of what has to be expected of a coach of young men, and figurehead of an entire school.
If losing a fricking football game is a fireable offense, this is much, much more.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:12 pm to jddawg58
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Now you are making Joepa the sheriff of PSU, up to him to eradicate all wrongdoing on campus.
Not the whole campus, but his staff and his facilities, YES! How asinine is it to say that he "followed procedure". If one of those boys were your son or grandson, would you think Joe Pa's actions were sufficient. Or, better yet, what if your son/grandson was molested AFTER 2002 by that POS Sandusky, after Joe Pa had TWO reports of his behavior and did basically NOTHING?
Ludicrous to even have the conversation.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:14 pm to pcolalsutiger
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It might have been a legally sufficient response
I don't think it was even this.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:21 pm to Alahunter
I totally agree with you, that's why I said "might have been". I hope they can find a way to prosecute all of them, Joe included.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:24 pm to pcolalsutiger
As do I.
I used to love the rivalry, looked forward to the last two yrs matchups and always had respect for Penn St.
How misplaced was that now? I don't care who it is, if something like that occurs, everyone involved needs to be in jail, whether there, Bama or any other place. It's sick to see how this is coming out. And they said to expect alot more with the FEDS getting involved. I think they're already up to 20 victims now, aside from the 8 in the Grand Jury report.
I used to love the rivalry, looked forward to the last two yrs matchups and always had respect for Penn St.
How misplaced was that now? I don't care who it is, if something like that occurs, everyone involved needs to be in jail, whether there, Bama or any other place. It's sick to see how this is coming out. And they said to expect alot more with the FEDS getting involved. I think they're already up to 20 victims now, aside from the 8 in the Grand Jury report.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:25 pm to pcolalsutiger
Man- Tom Luginbill from ESPN just summed it up the best way I've heard, concerning Paterno's involvement.
He asked Finebaum: (paraphrasing) "If a kid involved in the allegations had been Joe Paterno's grandson, would he have called the police?"
End of story, folks.
He asked Finebaum: (paraphrasing) "If a kid involved in the allegations had been Joe Paterno's grandson, would he have called the police?"
End of story, folks.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:26 pm to Alahunter
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always had respect for Penn St.
respect Penn St. just not their leaders but respect of the program should remain intact.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:26 pm to oleheat
Can this get any more Bizarre?
By LEE FERRAN and RHONDA SCHWARTZ
Nov. 8, 2011
The prosecutor who decided to not pursue sex abuse charges against former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago, despite an alleged confession, is at the center of a missing persons mystery that has enraptured middle Pennsylvania for years.
Ray Gricar served as the district attorney for Pennsylvania's Centre County in 1998 when Sandusky was accused of sexually abusing several boys. After an extensive investigation, which included testimony by two law enforcement officers that they had overheard Sandusky admitting to showering with multiple young boys, Gricar decided no criminal charges would be filed, according to recent court documents. Sandusky retired the next year.
READ: Ex-Penn State Coach Won't Speak on Child Sex Abuse Charges
Then, in April 2005, Gricar disappeared.
His car was found abandoned in a Lewisburg, Pa., parking lot and his laptop's harddrive was recovered from the nearby Susquehannna River, but there was no other trace of Gricar. No clues could be gleaned from the severely damaged harddrive and despite a six year investigation that involved the FBI and international help, police have as little an idea today about what happened to the former DA as they did then.
"We literally used every single resource, national and international," Bellefonte, Pa., police chief Shawn Weaver told ABC News today. "This is baffling. He literally just disappeared off the face of the earth."
Andy Colwell/The Patriot-News/AP PhotoFormer Penn State football defensive... View Full Size Andy Colwell/The Patriot-News/AP PhotoFormer Penn State football defensive coordinator Gerald "Jerry" Sandusky, center, arrives in handcuffs at the office of Centre County Magisterial District Judge Leslie A. Dutchcot while being escorted by Pennsylvania State Police and Attorney General's Office officials on Saturday, Nov. 5, 2011, in State College, Pa.
READ: Penn State's Joe Paterno Cancels News Conference
In July this year, Gricar was officially declared dead, though Weaver said the investigation into his disappearance is ongoing and new leads continue to emerge.
Weaver said that though everyone has a personal theory about what may have happened to Gricar -- from suicide to foul play -- there has been no evidence to support any one of them. The idea that the disappearance could be linked to the Sandusky investigation, Weaver said, is "highly doubtful."
"Obviously if something raises an eye, it's something we'll look at," he said. "Nothing is out of the realm of possibility."
Robert Buehner, the district attorney for nearby Montour County and longtime friend of Gricar's, told ABC News he's convinced Gricar was murdered but said there was "absolutely" no connection to the Sandusky case. Buehner said Gricar was more likely the target of a violent criminal he had prosecuted or was in the midst of prosecuting. He doubted Gricar would have committed suicide or simply ran off because he was happy, financially stable and often talked fondly of his impending retirement.
As to why Gricar did not pursue charges against Sandusky in 1998, Buehner said that Gricar must simply not have had the evidence he needed.
"If you're going to target someone, you really work very hard to be sure you have a case because if you don't, you could end up ruining someone's reputation and livelihood," Buehner said. "If he had the evidence, Ray would not have concerned himself with who the person was."
Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator for the Penn State Nittany Lions, was arrested Saturday and arraigned on 40 criminal counts connected to the alleged sexual abuse of eight boys over a fifteen year period.
Sandusky declined to comment on the accusations to ABC News Monday.
TIMELINE: Key Dates in the Penn State Sex Abuse Case
ABC News' T.J. Winick and Alyssa Newcomb contributed to this report.
By LEE FERRAN and RHONDA SCHWARTZ
Nov. 8, 2011
The prosecutor who decided to not pursue sex abuse charges against former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago, despite an alleged confession, is at the center of a missing persons mystery that has enraptured middle Pennsylvania for years.
Ray Gricar served as the district attorney for Pennsylvania's Centre County in 1998 when Sandusky was accused of sexually abusing several boys. After an extensive investigation, which included testimony by two law enforcement officers that they had overheard Sandusky admitting to showering with multiple young boys, Gricar decided no criminal charges would be filed, according to recent court documents. Sandusky retired the next year.
READ: Ex-Penn State Coach Won't Speak on Child Sex Abuse Charges
Then, in April 2005, Gricar disappeared.
His car was found abandoned in a Lewisburg, Pa., parking lot and his laptop's harddrive was recovered from the nearby Susquehannna River, but there was no other trace of Gricar. No clues could be gleaned from the severely damaged harddrive and despite a six year investigation that involved the FBI and international help, police have as little an idea today about what happened to the former DA as they did then.
"We literally used every single resource, national and international," Bellefonte, Pa., police chief Shawn Weaver told ABC News today. "This is baffling. He literally just disappeared off the face of the earth."
Andy Colwell/The Patriot-News/AP PhotoFormer Penn State football defensive... View Full Size Andy Colwell/The Patriot-News/AP PhotoFormer Penn State football defensive coordinator Gerald "Jerry" Sandusky, center, arrives in handcuffs at the office of Centre County Magisterial District Judge Leslie A. Dutchcot while being escorted by Pennsylvania State Police and Attorney General's Office officials on Saturday, Nov. 5, 2011, in State College, Pa.
READ: Penn State's Joe Paterno Cancels News Conference
In July this year, Gricar was officially declared dead, though Weaver said the investigation into his disappearance is ongoing and new leads continue to emerge.
Weaver said that though everyone has a personal theory about what may have happened to Gricar -- from suicide to foul play -- there has been no evidence to support any one of them. The idea that the disappearance could be linked to the Sandusky investigation, Weaver said, is "highly doubtful."
"Obviously if something raises an eye, it's something we'll look at," he said. "Nothing is out of the realm of possibility."
Robert Buehner, the district attorney for nearby Montour County and longtime friend of Gricar's, told ABC News he's convinced Gricar was murdered but said there was "absolutely" no connection to the Sandusky case. Buehner said Gricar was more likely the target of a violent criminal he had prosecuted or was in the midst of prosecuting. He doubted Gricar would have committed suicide or simply ran off because he was happy, financially stable and often talked fondly of his impending retirement.
As to why Gricar did not pursue charges against Sandusky in 1998, Buehner said that Gricar must simply not have had the evidence he needed.
"If you're going to target someone, you really work very hard to be sure you have a case because if you don't, you could end up ruining someone's reputation and livelihood," Buehner said. "If he had the evidence, Ray would not have concerned himself with who the person was."
Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator for the Penn State Nittany Lions, was arrested Saturday and arraigned on 40 criminal counts connected to the alleged sexual abuse of eight boys over a fifteen year period.
Sandusky declined to comment on the accusations to ABC News Monday.
TIMELINE: Key Dates in the Penn State Sex Abuse Case
ABC News' T.J. Winick and Alyssa Newcomb contributed to this report.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:31 pm to TutHillTiger
yep you know he got hit.
This scandal is going deeper than we thought.
I agree with this. I'm sure the investigator was still working on the case when and how he could, despite the lack of evidence.
This scandal is going deeper than we thought.
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"If you're going to target someone, you really work very hard to be sure you have a case because if you don't, you could end up ruining someone's reputation and livelihood," Buehner said. "If he had the evidence, Ray would not have concerned himself with who the person was."
I agree with this. I'm sure the investigator was still working on the case when and how he could, despite the lack of evidence.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:44 pm to adammwilson
To answer the OP question...I would take my diploma off the wall and throw away all my bama memorobilia including my UA license plate, I would risk a traffic ticket before I would be seen with it on my car again. I would never support the school or any of the athletic teams again. Doubt I'd ever watch sports again period.
I'm sick that for all those years I admired the Penn State program and Joe Pa that all of this was going on. How was this kept quiet for so long? What happened to bring it out? I know, I need to read, but at work right now...
I'm sick that for all those years I admired the Penn State program and Joe Pa that all of this was going on. How was this kept quiet for so long? What happened to bring it out? I know, I need to read, but at work right now...
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:51 pm to ChopSuey
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How was this kept quiet for so long?
It appears that it was "swept under the rug" as to not tarnish the PSU brand/name.
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What happened to bring it out?
That I'm not sure of. If I had to take an educated guess, a victim came forward and talked to the actual police (not the campus police).
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I need to read
Have some antacids near you. It's nauseating.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:52 pm to AUnite
i cant believe anyone can support joe pa for sweeping this under the rug.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:55 pm to heartbreakTiger
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HBT
I can't either. There's no way they've taken the time to read news articles or the Grand Jury Indictment.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:57 pm to ChopSuey
Pretty much what everyone else said except I would add...not only the administration from Pres to Wr Coach..but all mention of their names redacted. No statues, no buildings named after, no scholarships in honor of (still keep the 'ships just in honor of something /someone else) In no way shape or form can there be anything associated with this depravity associated with the University. If this were a ponzi scheme....and paterno knew about it, he finishes the year, but this (and I'm not about to read the GJ report...don't need to, the two or three sentences that have leaked out are sufficient) is so beyond that....the only thing that should be left are the education programs put into place to try to insure that this never happens again.
ETA: when I think of "monsters within humanity" I think of the Drs. in Nazi Germany. I now think of Jerry Sandusky the same way. Saying "I was following orders" didn't suffice then, "I did the legal miminum" should not suffice now.
ETA: when I think of "monsters within humanity" I think of the Drs. in Nazi Germany. I now think of Jerry Sandusky the same way. Saying "I was following orders" didn't suffice then, "I did the legal miminum" should not suffice now.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:46 pm to GeauxTigers580307
Wow, the president of the school says he has Curley and Schultz' backs unconditionally.
He has to take that position, as he approved their decision not to report this incident to the police. These three individuals clearly put the interests of PSU ahead of the victims. The wrath of the mob should be directed toward them.
He has to take that position, as he approved their decision not to report this incident to the police. These three individuals clearly put the interests of PSU ahead of the victims. The wrath of the mob should be directed toward them.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:48 pm to AUnite
Paterno didn't witness a child rape, or any other inappropriate conduct.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:54 pm to The ChizMan Cometh
"They took away his keys". Paterno was not involved in any investigation of Sandusky,and was not involved in any decision regarding whether it should be reported to the police. Given his longstanding prior relationship with Sandusky, it would probably have been improper for him to be involved. Why is Joepa being blamed for an institutional failure caused by the President, AD and VP of Finance? Does he have to do everybody's job on the campus.
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