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On trick plays …

Posted on 12/2/25 at 7:33 am
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 7:33 am
I am not completely, totally, unequivocally opposed to their use.

I also understand the desire to stick the stake in an opponent’s heart with one.

The thing is, trick plays are like the sweetest dessert your grandma used to make at Thanksgiving, if you don’t strictly limit them you’re going to get a bellyache.

And I think the reason people keep dwelling on the one that was called the other night is that because of what had been happening leading up to it, calling one at that moment was questionable.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
16314 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 7:54 am to
Can't run those slow-developing trick plays against SEC opponents, especially those with fast defenses, which is pretty much all of them. Thowing a quick out to Proctor or the Wildcat inside handoff sprintout pass like against South Carolina is fine. But double reverse flea flickers, or the cross field double passes are just bad plays. Maybe they look good in practice against a defense that isn't trying to kill you.
This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 8:00 am
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4727 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:00 am to
Fair point … I am not going to have a fit if we do something wacky maybe once in a season if it’s absolutely open, but again that moment last weekend was not the moment for any trickery.

Of course the Barn back in the 1980s used to run this double reverse with Freddy Weygand that took five minutes to set up and you could see it coming a mile away and it was all I could do to keep from screaming “REVERSE” from the press box but damned if they didn’t get 40 yards every time they ran it …
This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 8:05 am
Posted by UASports23
Basketball School
Member since Nov 2009
25825 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:00 am to
shite. We were even dropping Tim Keenan into deep coverage during the Iron Bowl.

BAMA WILD BOYZ
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11276 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:08 am to
Brooks Austin's most recent video confirmed an opinion I've been trying to articulate about our tendencies. We are a hyper-aggressive team, to a fault in my opinion.

We have so many 3rd and shorts - and at least 1 4th and short I remember - where we are calling deep developing route combos trying to put a dagger through a team's heart instead of trying to keep the drive going with a more possession securing play concept. We do very similar things on 1st and 10. Always felt like it was even more amplified on 1st and 10 out of drive start and Brooks basically confirmed my gut feel from watching every play this season on the couch.

Alabama has become too greedy in the play calling department. I get that the coordinator is trying to replace the yardage most teams can get from 2-3 handoffs in a possession. However, we are getting so out of balance that Auburn was basically only playing pass on downs where we ought to have been getting more balanced approach from the opponent. Accordingly, we never could get things going because a lot of our drives were 2nd and 10 or more because of dead-on-arrival first down plays.

I don't have good answers though because it isn't like our run game is going to be good this week against a great run defense given we're down to 1 tailback, Hill, who has regularly participated with the starting offense. Richard Young has been banished to some realm beyond the doghouse. AK Dear is a true freshman who has one meaningful snap - definitely just one meaningful touch - with the starters by my count. I'm glad I don't have to figure out how to produce enough offense to beat UGA this weekend. However the people who do are all millionaires, so I don't feel sorry for them.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
16314 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:20 am to
I think early on that our staff thought that we couldn't run for a yard when we needed to. While our run game is not great, I think at this point, we can run for a yard when we need it. Don't ask our OL to pin and pull, just have them go body on body and we can push enough to pick up these short yardage runs.

I always thought 2nd and short was the best down to take a shot because you still have two plays to run for it if you don't hit.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4727 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:23 am to
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This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 8:57 am
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
16314 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:26 am to
Respectfully, Byrne needs to stay out of it. His job is to hire coaches and let them work, not to micromanage them.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4727 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:31 am to
Yes but who else would be doing the head football coach’s annual evaluation? I’m sure he has one just like any working stiff. You certainly don’t want micromanagement but coaches still answer to someone.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11276 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:33 am to
Yeah, I would hope the 10m/yr coach can see what even Stevie Wonder could see with this offense in 2025 and not need an administrator to tell him such things.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4727 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:37 am to
I agree with y’all I was just being overly forceful about the need.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
16314 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:40 am to
I'd wager that Byrne and Deboer are in constant communication about all sorts of things related to the program. I highly doubt that Byrne ever gives Deboer advice regarding on-field stuff.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4727 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:59 am to
Deleted my post … like I said I got fired up wanting to emphasize the need because I think we are a competent running game away from being hell on wheels with this team, but I am not ashamed to admit when I am in the ozone.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
9763 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 9:11 am to
quote:

don't have good answers though because it isn't like our run game is going to be good this week against a great run defense


Auburn has a superior run D to Georgia
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46011 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 9:16 am to
quote:

Can't run those slow-developing trick plays against SEC opponents, especially those with fast defenses, which is pretty much all of them. Thowing a quick out to Proctor or the Wildcat inside handoff sprintout pass like against South Carolina is fine. But double reverse flea flickers, or the cross field double passes are just bad plays. Maybe they look good in practice against a defense that isn't trying to kill you.


Agreed. If you're going to run a flea flicker against a fast defense it needs to be done in the conventional manner. Not multiple laterals back to the QB.
Posted by Amarillo Tide
Amarillo, TX
Member since Aug 2023
1496 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 5:02 am to
I don't have a problem with them per se but they've gotta be well timed, well executed and not too long and drawn out. I feel like a lot of the time with Grubb, they're called at the wrong time. I can't put my finger on it but they just seem a bit off and called at the wrong time.
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 5:03 am
Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
9125 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 5:59 am to
quote:

We have so many 3rd and shorts - and at least 1 4th and short I remember - where we are calling deep developing route combos trying to put a dagger through a team's heart instead of trying to keep the drive going with a more possession securing play concept. We do very similar things on 1st and 10. Always felt like it was even more amplified on 1st and 10 out of drive start and Brooks basically confirmed my gut feel from watching every play this season on the couch.

I like it... Preach brother!
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
8665 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 6:03 am to
Grubb has obviously never heard of the shovel pass, screen pass, or rolling a Qb out on a passing play.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19177 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 6:59 am to
quote:

Grubb has obviously never heard of the shovel pass, screen pass, or rolling a Qb out on a passing play.


Yeah you must "watch games" by reading box scores.

We threw screens to A.Dear and D.Hill and ran multiple rollouts and bootlegs against auburn.

Posted by Shocco
Member since Nov 2015
1841 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 11:59 am to
I'll never understand Grubbs obsession of running plays that need space into the narrow side of the field at a 90-10 ratio. It baffles me. Grubb also runs trick plays at odd times that are just head-scratchers.
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 12:02 pm
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