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NIL Cap. It won't mean what you think it means

Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:57 am
Posted by stitchop
jonesboro
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:57 am
The NIL Cap is coming, we all pretty much agree.
But this Cap will apply only to the schools and the school affiliated fund raising efforts.

The antitrust is going to be about what whatever any person or business not associated or coordinating with the school pays star athlete whoever to appear in their advertising.

There may be some rules about independence advertising not including anything like a school apparel such as a jersey, but the ability of the athlete to have income outside the school won't be limited.

NIL is about the person's Name, Image and Likeness. NOT the school's.

Anything that tries to limit a person from benefiting from their own Image or name will never survive
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
14534 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:00 am to
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The NIL Cap is coming, we all pretty much agree.


No I don't think we do
Posted by PeleofAnalytics
Member since Jun 2021
4782 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:03 am to
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The antitrust is going to be about what whatever any person or business not associated or coordinating with the school pays star athlete whoever to appear in their advertising.


If the players collectively agree to a cap outside of the school funded NIL and put it in a CBA, I don't think there is anything violating anti trust laws. Voluntarily agreed upon limits, as long as reasonable, are not going to be challenged.
Posted by Landmass
Premium Member
Member since Jun 2013
23466 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:05 am to
If Ohio State wants to overpay some untested QB, so be it. I would rather they clamp down on in-season tampering and limit the number of times a player can transfer.
Posted by travelgamer
Member since Aug 2024
2295 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:06 am to
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NIL is about the person's Name, Image and Likeness. NOT the school's.


Then explain the collectives.
Posted by stitchop
jonesboro
Member since Oct 2020
163 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:15 am to
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Then explain the collectives


The collectives are what happened when NCAA completely folded after the lawsuit.
The lawsuit was about the NCAA’S rules forbidding the athletes from benefits whatsoever from his personal image. NCAA wouldn't even let athletes work part time. They had no way of having income while being a student athlete.
Meanwhile the schools of course where making billions collectively.

The ruling allowed the student athletes to make money off their image.
In order to avoid possible future suits, or more accurately, to avoid any responsibility in creating NIL policies concerning schools participation in paying athletes, NCAA completely folded, hoping for legislative answers.

The schools paying athletes directly or through collectives wasn't a result of the ruling, it was a result of NCAA completely folding on the issue
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
35401 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:17 am to
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The NIL Cap is coming


It's not coming, it's impossible to do.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34870 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:20 am to
First of all, why would players agree to a cap? They benefit from the crazy spending.

Second of all, any CBA would have to include athletes other than football and basketball. Why would they want a formalized structure that entrenches their sports as second class?

Third, the schools are terrified of player strikes and for good reason: right now college players get WAY less of the revenue pie than NFL or NBA players get.

The only solution is Congress bailing the schools out by creating a new class of non-employee unique to colleges.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 11:21 am
Posted by twk
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jul 2011
2700 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:27 am to
Implementing the House settlement requires Congressional legislation, so it's not a done deal. But, if that happens, then the NIL environment will change drastically. There will be no "cap" on NIL--if some kid comes along that seizes the national spotlight, he will be allowed to make as much as he can. But, what will not happen is some oil company paying a starting left tackle millions of dollars in NIL money because he plays for the alma mater of the CEO, or the local car dealership paying $100k to the backup QB. Small deals with booster affiliated companies will get a pass, but anything with significant money is going to have to be run through the Deloitte algorithm to determine if it is a FMV deal. And, all of that will survive a court challenge because it will be enshrined in statute.
Posted by stitchop
jonesboro
Member since Oct 2020
163 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:41 am to
In the end, it's going to look like it did before NIL.
Talent with accumulate to the teams with the most money.
People are going to be willing to pay millions to 5 and 4 star backup players to keep them off rival teams.
And, 4 and 5 stars will be willing to ride benches for multiple millions of dollars over playing for single million
Posted by houstonearler
Member since Jan 2005
310 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:44 am to
Caps coupled with a toothless NCAA that has no ability to curtail bag dropping is a horrible idea.
Posted by travelgamer
Member since Aug 2024
2295 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:46 am to
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toothless NCAA


They impose fines to pay their salaries, make undefined rules, and employ sub par refs to enforce them?
Posted by PeleofAnalytics
Member since Jun 2021
4782 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:48 am to
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First of all, why would players agree to a cap? They benefit from the crazy spending.


Why do players ever agree to a cap? Because it is part of an overall negotiated deal. And you provided the bargaining chip in your second to last sentence. The schools can offer more revenue to the players. And there are plenty of other negotiating points. Healthcare, drug testing, what constitutes a suspension, transfer windows.

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Second of all, any CBA would have to include athletes other than football and basketball.

What legal basis do you have to claim that football and basketball can't have their own CBA?
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 12:08 pm
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:48 am to
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we all pretty much agree.

Who's we?
Posted by stitchop
jonesboro
Member since Oct 2020
163 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:04 pm to
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Who's we?


Those who have congnitive thought
Posted by BuckeyeGoon
Member since Jan 2025
835 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:12 pm to
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Anything that tries to limit a person from benefiting from their own Image or name will never survive

Even leagues that have a salary cap like the nfl, players are still free to get as much money as possible from commercials/endorsements and none of that money counts towards the salary cap. It will be the same with NIL, whatever salary cap the schools are able to implement, boosters/businesses will still be able to pay players additional money on top of that.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
35401 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:13 pm to
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The NIL Cap is coming, we all pretty much agree.
But this Cap will apply only to the schools and the school affiliated fund raising efforts.

The antitrust is going to be about what whatever any person or business not associated or coordinating with the school pays star athlete whoever to appear in their advertising.

There may be some rules about independence advertising not including anything like a school apparel such as a jersey, but the ability of the athlete to have income outside the school won't be limited.

NIL is about the person's Name, Image and Likeness. NOT the school's.

Anything that tries to limit a person from benefiting from their own Image or name will never survive


I really don't know what you are generally talking about in this thread to be honest.

The only thing that can be capped are salaries, and that's just part of whatever revenue sharing stuff they've been cooking up. Actual money the schools may start giving the players, nothing at all to do with NIL.

NIL is not going to be capped, nor can it be capped. It's not capped in the NFL either. The only thing capped in the NFL are salaries. Nothing ever prevented Tom Brady from doing Gillette commercials while playing at Gillette Field. And all those other commercials and NIL deals you see happening in the NFL aren't capped either.

The only power the NCAA has or will have is control over the schools and boosters. So as someone mentioned, perhaps they can not allow a booster to pay NIL to players, unless there is fair market value and a valid reason for it. Similar to how players could have jobs in the past, but had to work them etc. They can't restrict the players NIL, but they can restrict boosters via punishments of the schools like in the past. They should have done that from the start to prevent collectives, I was surprised when they didn't because the rules already existed.

Otherwise, there is no such thing as NIL Cap and there isn't one coming. It's impossible because legit NIL isn't a deal that involves the schools at all.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
53395 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:16 pm to
true NIL never really got off the ground
if you could have had true NIL with guardrails and not the collective bullshite that came first, I think things would have been much better

even professional sports don't operate this way, well, except for the Dodgers
Posted by Gator Fever
Member since Sep 2021
4009 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:29 pm to
Yep curious to see how this plays out because only a few players have very big NIL value in reality and most are getting paid because that big booster wants to win games. Some of these big boosters are claiming they are going to back off on NIL quite a bit due to them being able to pay out of revenue now but we will see if that actually happens to a big extent.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 12:30 pm
Posted by ouflak
Manchester, England
Member since Jul 2021
568 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:39 pm to
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And, all of that will survive a court challenge because it will be enshrined in statute.


Until the Supreme Court unanimously strikes those statutes down because of those annoying pesky 13th and 14th amendments.

Now if Congress can find a way to repeal those amendments, then what you suggest might be possible.
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