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Broome vs Flagg for NPOY
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:52 am
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:52 am
Broome likely finishing 2d in most of the POY awards to Flagg has me salty this AM.
Broome’s and Flagg’s season per game stats are almost identical. In the 4 relevant stats (last one is combined steals/blocks), each leads in 2, with Broome’s 2 “leads” by a greater margin:
Pts Reb Ast S/B
Broome 18.7 10.6 3.3 3.2
Flagg 18.9 7.5. 4.2 2.7
Clear advantage Broome.
In the one game they played H2H (on Duke’s floor), Broome was 20/12/4/1 and Flagg was 22/11/4/5. Maybe slight advantage Flagg.
What should put Broom way over the top is comparing strength of schedules, and esp conf schedules. Duke SOS was 57, Auburn was 2. Duke played 16 Q3/Q4 games, Auburn played 7. Duke played 15 Q1 games, Auburn played 24.
But here’s the clencher — in league play, Auburn’s lowest rated NET opponent was LSU at 89. In Auburn’s game at LSU, Broome was 26/16/0/4. Duke played 11 of their 20 conference games against opponents with a lower NET rating than LSU (3 of those were against sub-200 BC and Miami where Flagg averaged 19/5.3/5.3/1.7)).
Against the ACC’s second highest ranked NET team (Clemson at 22), Flagg was 18/5/1/4. Against the SEC’s second highest ranked NET team (UF at 4), Broome was 18/11/6/2. Against the 5 conf teams (7 games) where the opponent had a NET higher than Clemson, Broome averaged 18.1/9.6/3/3.1.
Swap Auburn’s and Duke’s schedules – where would Flagg’s stats be vs Broome’s? POY would be Broome in a rout.
Broome’s and Flagg’s season per game stats are almost identical. In the 4 relevant stats (last one is combined steals/blocks), each leads in 2, with Broome’s 2 “leads” by a greater margin:
Pts Reb Ast S/B
Broome 18.7 10.6 3.3 3.2
Flagg 18.9 7.5. 4.2 2.7
Clear advantage Broome.
In the one game they played H2H (on Duke’s floor), Broome was 20/12/4/1 and Flagg was 22/11/4/5. Maybe slight advantage Flagg.
What should put Broom way over the top is comparing strength of schedules, and esp conf schedules. Duke SOS was 57, Auburn was 2. Duke played 16 Q3/Q4 games, Auburn played 7. Duke played 15 Q1 games, Auburn played 24.
But here’s the clencher — in league play, Auburn’s lowest rated NET opponent was LSU at 89. In Auburn’s game at LSU, Broome was 26/16/0/4. Duke played 11 of their 20 conference games against opponents with a lower NET rating than LSU (3 of those were against sub-200 BC and Miami where Flagg averaged 19/5.3/5.3/1.7)).
Against the ACC’s second highest ranked NET team (Clemson at 22), Flagg was 18/5/1/4. Against the SEC’s second highest ranked NET team (UF at 4), Broome was 18/11/6/2. Against the 5 conf teams (7 games) where the opponent had a NET higher than Clemson, Broome averaged 18.1/9.6/3/3.1.
Swap Auburn’s and Duke’s schedules – where would Flagg’s stats be vs Broome’s? POY would be Broome in a rout.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:58 am to AU6X
Duke embarrassing the shite out of Alabama hurts your argument a little.
I'd vote for Flagg, but I wouldn't be mad if someone else voted for Broome.
I'd vote for Flagg, but I wouldn't be mad if someone else voted for Broome.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:58 am to AU6X
Yeah. Broome has had the better season and it’s frankly not close when you consider the competition.
But Flagg will win the Neysmith because he has a Duke logo on his jersey.
But Flagg will win the Neysmith because he has a Duke logo on his jersey.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:59 am to SEC Doctor
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Duke embarrassing the shite out of Alabama hurts your argument a little.
Well Auburn embarrassed the shite out of Kentucky in Rupp, and Duke lost to that team.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:02 am to AU6X
I don’t think there is a wrong choice here, but Flagg will win it.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:05 am to AU6X
Flagg hands down
Freshman game changer vs a guy who is great but almost old enough for social security and hospice
Freshman game changer vs a guy who is great but almost old enough for social security and hospice
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:07 am to AUTiger789
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Well Auburn embarrassed the shite out of Kentucky in Rupp, and Duke lost to that team.
Kentucky caught Duke in the third game of the season when all those freshmen were just getting started. Flagg was 17 years old. If you played that game now, I would take Duke by double digits.
I know it's not supposed to make a difference, but Flagg is the clear #1 overall pick in the NBA draft at age 18. Broome might be a late first rounder at age 22. I think it will impact voters when it is close.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:09 am to AU6X
No Flagg? Duke is still ACC champs.
No Broome? AU finishes 4th AT BEST in the SEC
No Broome? AU finishes 4th AT BEST in the SEC
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:10 am to Adventure Junkie
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Flagg hands down
Freshman game changer vs a guy who is great but almost old enough for social security and hospice
Yeah, those players with experience suck so bad...
Flagg will win it. Duke is likely the best team in the Final Four. It's about hype at this point, and all the hype is going to Flagg. He's good. I'm fine with him winning. I don't get all that wrapped up in awards. I should say I'm also a Duke fan too. My second team behind Auburn. Married into it.
But many of the points made in the above posts stick. Duke played the ACC in one of the weakest years I've ever seen. And I've lived in NC for 25 years.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:14 am to AU6X
Broome lost his edge in the race ( Flaggs weak schedule) when Duke beat down their tournament matchups.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:15 am to Adventure Junkie
quote:he’s 22, you fricking retard. Look at the age of some of the recent winners.
Freshman game changer vs a guy who is great but almost old enough for social security and hospice
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:15 am to Adventure Junkie
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Freshman game changer vs a guy who is great but almost old enough for social security and hospice
Broome is still 22. How pathetic are you?
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:17 am to i am dan
I think in a vacuum Broome should probably win it. He had a comparable resume against much, much stronger competition.
But Flagg will win it, because he's so fun to watch, because he's at Duke, because he's younger and came with so much more hype. I'm not going to shake my fist at the sky like those things haven't always played into this sort of thing.
It's not a big enough gap for it to be an injustice, it's just unfortunate that Broome probably did more than enough to "earn" it but won't quite get it for factors out of his control.
But Flagg will win it, because he's so fun to watch, because he's at Duke, because he's younger and came with so much more hype. I'm not going to shake my fist at the sky like those things haven't always played into this sort of thing.
It's not a big enough gap for it to be an injustice, it's just unfortunate that Broome probably did more than enough to "earn" it but won't quite get it for factors out of his control.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:17 am to AU6X
Broome played way tougher competition. So him
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:18 am to SEC Doctor
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Duke embarrassing the shite out of Alabama hurts your argument a little.
Flagg had a pretty pedestrian game against Bama. Not that great of a point.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:21 am to Funky Tide 8
If Broome played terrible against MSU MSU wins by 15.
I guess the NPOY isnt a MVP reward..
I guess the NPOY isnt a MVP reward..
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:33 am to Funky Tide 8
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Flagg had a pretty pedestrian game against Bama. Not that great of a point.
That's a fair point, it was one of his worst games of the season. Can you imagine the score if Flagg had played his average game or better?

Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:37 am to AU6X
Broome would’ve won had he stayed healthy. He had a couple of meh games and Flagg hasn’t slowed down.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:42 am to AU6X
Flagg will get it easily. Also freshman of the year
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:42 am to Funky Tide 8
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quote:Duke embarrassing the shite out of Alabama hurts your argument a little. Flagg had a pretty pedestrian game against Bama. Not that great of a point.
In his 2 games against the bams this year, Broome averaged 27 / 11 / 4.5 / 5.5.
In the second game, Broome’s stat line was insane — 34 / 8 / 3 / 8.
I don’t expect any sportswriter — who seem to be some of the laziest people on the planet — to actually take a deep dive into any of this.
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