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What happened to our program?

Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:36 pm
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:36 pm
Just a few years ago Bama beat the ever loving crap out of osu. Now the 2 teams look totally opposite. Osu is kicking butt and taking names, we're getting our butts handed to us.

I mean on every level we're getting it handed to us. Saban, who has a better idea of where all of this was headed, was outspent? In NIL. Our talent evaluation and development has been crap for years. Our strength program went to crap when Cochran left.

It just looks like we dropped the ball in several areas.
This post was edited on 1/1/25 at 10:54 pm
Posted by Bamafan24
Huntsville
Member since Oct 2014
8482 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:46 pm to
Chip Kelly for OC and a quality qb with weapons
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3669 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:49 pm to
The sport has changed forever and Ohio State is playing “the game” better than we are right now.
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
2526 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:50 pm to
Nick retired on Wednesday. Greg Byrne had a spa day scheduled for Friday. He had to get someone quickly.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3669 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:53 pm to
IMO there is no way Nick Saban could do what he did from 2007 to 2023 at Alabama in the college football landscape of 2024 with the portal and NIL. I think he knew that and it’s why he went to the house.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19230 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 11:03 pm to
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He had to get someone quickly.
And he got the best available coach on the market.

Not bad for a couple days work.
Posted by Amarillo Tide
Amarillo, TX
Member since Aug 2023
958 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 11:09 pm to
I think it’s changing rapidly and I fear we’re kind of flat footed in dealing with NIL. I can’t prove this but I sense we’re really behind the learning curve and to be blunt we’re being outsmarted by schools like OSU.

Regardless, I hope Courtney Morgan knows what the hell he’s doing because Bama runs the risk of becoming Kentucky or MSU if he doesn’t know.
This post was edited on 1/1/25 at 11:11 pm
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19230 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 11:19 pm to
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I can’t prove this but I sense we’re really behind the learning curve and to be blunt we’re being outsmarted by schools like OSU.
Outspent is partially it.

The rest is frankly we are in a transition period with a coach with a different philosophy on how to play the game. I don’t think DeBoer really had much of a clue before the portal closed as to what we needed.
Posted by PBD4BAMA
Sweet Home Alabama
Member since Dec 2014
5696 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:53 am to
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What happened to our program?

I'll tell you what happened.

Once they realized they had no way of out recruiting Coach Saban they attacked his coaching staff. Each year he was having to go out and find replacements. They grew weary of this tactic as it wasn't working either. Knowing Coach was on up in age and loved his Summers, they came up with the master plan of all master plans. NIL! That was the straw that broke the camels back. They knew Saban didn't want to not only recruit new players, he would also have to re recruit his old players. He would lose his power to the players and the players would run the show. He said frick this, I quit! .......and that's what happened to our program. The End
Posted by Allthatfades
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2014
7882 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 5:49 am to
I don’t think we are flat footed but the hard truth is that we aren’t going to be able to outspend the Ohio States and Michigans. Period. Coaching and development will be crucial moving forward if we want to win another national championship anytime soon.
Posted by AlterDWI
Pattern Noticing, Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
4843 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 7:17 am to
Three weeks ago OSU fans wanted their coach fired
Posted by Granola
Member since Jan 2024
1656 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 7:21 am to
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IMO there is no way Nick Saban could do what he did from 2007 to 2023 at Alabama in the college football landscape of 2024 with the portal and NIL. I think he knew that and it’s why he went to the house.



70 players went into his office shortly after the Rose Bowl and demanded more NIL $$ and playing time. Nick said to hell with this, I'm done.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22228 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 7:40 am to
I, for one, am shocked and blind-sided by the fact that the greatest run in college football history didn't continue on forever, and Bama looks mortal.

bUt BuT wE lOoK aWfUl, nOt mOrTaL!

Yes, yes, l too am shocked we lost 4 games in year one of a new coach.

I don't think Deboer did a great job in year one. But, it was year one. If you're expecting a Saban level run, welcome to reality. I always said there would be a lot of shocked fans when reality set in. But, if you think Bama can be one of the top programs and have a shot to win it all in some years, there's still hope. We haven't seen DeBoer’s Bama yet.
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
20933 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 7:41 am to
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70 players


It was 40 now its 70?

I'd have said don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out. And Saban is one coach who could have withstood the turmoil from letting all the cancers go. I personally don't think any of the rumors is true. Saban of all people knows you don't let the insane run the institution.

Being the top in the country for almost a decade should have our money situation sorted out. If it isn't we misspent.

Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
14255 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 7:50 am to
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Coaching and development will be crucial moving forward if we want to win another national championship anytime soon.


May be totally wrong but I think KDB is one of the ones capable of accomplishing this going forward . He is used to doing more with less ( although he just secured a top five recruiting class ) .
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
7793 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 7:51 am to
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Saban of all people knows you don't let the insane run the institution.



So you think Saban could have replaced half his roster with other players that he didn't originally sign?
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
12448 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 7:52 am to
Both he and Terry were done with Pay for Play.

Terry said the recruit's parent(s) were only interested in how much money they would receive.

All those high ranked recruits on the roster actually made it worse to resolve yet made winning a little easier.
Posted by Bamadoc
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2014
4056 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 7:52 am to
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Just a few years ago Bama beat the ever loving crap out of osu. Now the 2 teams look totally opposite. Osu is kicking butt and taking names, we're getting our butts handed to us.

I mean on every level we're getting it handed to us. Saban, who has a better idea of where all of this was headed, was outspent? In NIL. Our talent evaluation and development has been crap for years. Our strength program went to crap when Cochran left.

It just looks like we dropped the ball in several areas.



To be fair, if Auburn beat us 3 yrs in a row, then goes and wins a Natty. We would go all out too. OSU was under the gun and they went Blue Chips on the recruiting and transfer portal landscape.

I like CKD, he just gave this particular team too much freedom thinking Sabans philosophy will roll over in this team. He has got to get emotional though, just too calm for my liking.


Just going to have to give him a shot with his players and coaches.


Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3669 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:24 am to
Saban was the GOAT football coach. He wasn’t capable of parting the Red Sea or dividing the fishes and feeding the multitudes like some in our fan base think.

Some people just don’t understand that the days of a coach showing the rifraff the door are gone.

Again, players essentially are equal partners to the coaches right now. I don’t like that, I don’t think the people who argued for giving the players a space at the money trough really expected unintended consequences to this extent, but it is what it is.

And no message board griping or threats by fans to stop watching is going to bring back the old way. The courts, even the “conservative” Supreme Court, are 100% on the players’ side, Congress won’t do anything but bloviate and any “college football commissioner” who’s named, by who I don’t know, would have zero power to change a thing because he’d still be bound by the court rulings that are in place.

The end game IMO will be a collective agreement where players agree to stay two years before going to the portal, but the schools in turn will have to guarantee those two years as well barring horrific misconduct by players, meaning a new coach won’t be able to come in and run people off. Which again puts coaches and players on equal footing because IMO nobody will touch NIL, it’s set in stone forever.

And the point of this early morning filibuster is that I am increasingly beginning to think that given our program’s unique culture and values and ways of doing things that are shared by a rabid fan base, and because our sugar daddies while well heeled by Alabama standards aren’t in the same solar system with a lot of other programs’ sugar daddies, we’re going to have a very tough although not insurmountable path moving forward in the new version of college football.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 8:33 am
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
7272 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:27 am to
Damn 17 years of Saban produced some SOFT fans.

One single season after an SEC Championship:

"what happened to our program!!!" "sky is falling!!!" "woe is me!!!"

The real issue...you young trust fun fans who never witnessed the dark years. Yall didnt see all the LSU losses, the years long streak of losing to Tennessee, Louisiana Tech...twice, "fear the thumb," Northern Illinois loss, getting beat down by Arkansas, losing seasons, Mike Price getting fired for lapdances from ugliest strippers in the south, Fran intentionally losing the Auburn game and running away to A&M, the sanction Shula years.

All yall have seen is the best run of one program in CFB history and you think just because of the labels on the jersey, are arbitrary bullshite recruiting rankings, Bama is entitled to win every game.

It doesnt work that way, other teams have good players and highly paid coaches that devote entire offseasons to beating Bama. Even during the Saban years, the difference between the talent of say Miss State and Alabama really wasnt insurmountable, and that was before the portal which allows even shitty teams to plug in holes and field decent teams. Before, if you didnt recruit and develop players properly, you were shite out of luck.

Move on, grow up as a fan. A year where Bama beats LSU, Georgia, and Auburn and win 9 games isnt even in the stratosphere of being a catastrophe.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 8:28 am
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