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This is a pussy post; but there’s no evidence that we should expect anything better

Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:10 pm
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:10 pm
This post is best experienced while listening to “Just” by Radiohead.

What’s your criteria for a decent, acceptable season? Assuming we’re building towards or rebuilding from a championship-caliber season, I say that a 4 loss season is decent for Auburn. Not awful, not great. Enough to complain and critique but not enough to think the world is falling apart.

A few losses might be what defines a good season. Maybe you beat all the teams you’re supposed to, win against Georgia or Alabama, drop a few to other championship caliber programs. Maybe lose the bowl game against a reputable opponent. 10-2, 9-3 kind of regular season finish. In today’s football, that’s most likely a spot in the playoff with a postseason that matters.

Great seasons are easy to define. You beat your rivals while competing for or winning a championship. I’m a bit odd in that I personally value the conference championship over the national championship. But that’ll change with the playoff and the diminishing value of the conference championship games. Undefeated, one, maybe two total losses in a season with all the right moments that are cause for celebration. Hardware comes home. That’s a great season for Auburn fans.

What becomes an unacceptable season, one that cannot be argued for as decent or good is when the losses start mounting past four. In some cases, you might lose four regular season games and the bowl game. In very particular situations, I can accept that. But in most, five or more losses in a season is a disaster. Six to seven losses is a call for a program evaluation. Eight or more is when money needs to be raised for a coaching change.

I think I can say that ALL or most Auburn fans will agree with these sentiments. No Auburn fan legitimately believes we will become like Alabama or Ohio St where we expect to compete for the national championship every single season. In fact, I would argue that our family mentality, as kooky as we can be, is something that sets us apart from other fanbases and programs. We embody the Auburn creed because we sincerely and authentically see it as part of our culture. So winning a national championship isn’t a necessity.

But I do think we expect 4 loss seasons to be the bottom.

So with all of that said, we are in the midst of a reality that we need to come to terms with. These expectations, reasonable ones by Auburn fans, are no longer reasonable.

At what point would you say it’s not a phase and actually a reality?

Because in the last 17 seasons, we have lost 5 or more games 12 times. I go back to 2008 because that is when Auburn signaled a culture change in football. We went with a new style of offense and attempted to build on offensive ingenuity for each of the coaching staffs we’ve had since. And the results have been dire.

In the last 17 seasons, we are 3-14 against Georgia. We are 4-13 against Alabama.

In the last 17 seasons, we have lost 6 or more games 6 times.

In the last 17 seasons, we have 2 great seasons and 2 decent seasons.

4 seasons where Auburn fans felt okay about the results. 13 seasons where Auburn fans felt disappointed, wronged, angered, out of place, frustrated, and misrepresented.

Yet despite our reality of being a disappointing program, we still enter seasons, games, and recruiting seasons as if there is some sense of entitlement that we are to be a competitive team. We treat Auburn football as if there is some kind of destination where we regain our rightful spot as a program that deserves at worst decent seasons. But there is no longer evidence that what we count as decent is a decent season. We set ourselves up for disappointment because we do not fully grasp the reality of who we are.

So when we enter an Iron Bowl after rushing the field against a 15th ranked non-rival opponent and expect to compete in Tuscaloosa against a potentially-playoff bound Alabama, we are only fooling ourselves.

We do this to ourselves. We have no reason to believe we are going to win, and we damn sure have no evidence in almost two decades to believe that we are entitled to a “rightful” place in college football. When you’re pounding your fist or screaming at the tv when Alabama is adding to their lead, you sound as ridiculous as an Ole Miss fan from 2000-2020. How laughable would it be to see an Ole Miss fan or Miss St fan or Arkansas fan getting upset about losing to the top programs in the conference while holding a “just you wait!” attitude?

For anyone who got emotionally upset about the results tonight or about the results of this season, you’re living in a fantasy world. Auburn is not “coming back.” We’re not about to turn the corner.

Unless there’s a Pat Dye out there to recreate a culture that worked for us in the past, we must redefine our expectations. 5-6 losses is decent. 3-4 losses is great. Making a decent bowl game is our goal. Not getting embarrassed is a win.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44736 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:12 pm to
Lol didn't read
Posted by Fearless_and_True
Steel City
Member since Oct 2017
2057 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:13 pm to
If you can’t see the improvement throughout the beginning of the year.. (except Thorne), then I don’t know to say.

For the first time, as Gus always said, we are young.


Guys are still fighting for CHF. Coleman has more receiving yards in 3 games than he did the first 6
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
17302 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:13 pm to
We are in the midst of our worst losing since late 30’s to 1940’s.

We can make excuses or realize how catastrophic this is.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20362 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:16 pm to
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We are in the midst of our worst losing since late 30’s to 1940’s. We can make excuses or realize how catastrophic this is.


Exactly.

We can talk about being “young” or improvement throughout the year, but we have a bad, bad run of seasons that do not at all suggest that we are improving anywhere near to what we seem to feel entitled to. It’s more likely we are going to lose 5 or more games every season and we’re at the end of the 2nd year of a new coach with the exact same - if not worse - results.

Posted by wareaglepete
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Member since Dec 2012
17302 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:16 pm to
Not seeing it.

2023 6-7
2024 5-7


What am I missing?

Maybe you have very strong Orange and Blue sunglasses on and can’t see the disaster happening right in front of you.
Posted by Fearless_and_True
Steel City
Member since Oct 2017
2057 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:23 pm to
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What am I missing?


Quarterback

Honestly.. look at film and critique Thorne. How many open receivers did he miss from not seeing his progressions?

How many receivers were behind the secondary and he couldn’t get the strength to get it to him?

How many guys did he not see bc he chose to scramble instead of staying/stepping up in the pocket.


Give me a decent QB and I’ll give CHF my own critique. Thorne is great against non power4 teams. SEC is just too fast.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
13936 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:36 pm to
quote:

We are in the midst of our worst losing since late 30’s to 1940’s.

And there isn't a Shug Jordan out there to bring in to fix it either.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6570 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:38 pm to
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If you can’t see the improvement throughout the beginning of the year..


I don't, offensively. This team still looks like a team with a few talented skill players and zero offensive identity. They still can't capitalize on their strengths, put together a coherent gameplan, convert in the red zone or gain a tough yard when they need it. Defensively, I've seem some growth, but again, it looks like leaning on a few talented pieces and the rest collapses too often at the worst times.

We're young, but this isn't the era of building year over year. The portal can make most teams young in a year and we're going to contend with it again before next season.

We're likely going to overhaul the coaching staff yet again, still be gambling on a quarterback, we're losing our most effective offensive skill player and line recruiting hasn't been that great. Freeze will get next year, but I think he's in over his head with what this job is now.
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
17302 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:39 pm to
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yet recruiting may be at an all time high. crazy times


Tons of Auburn fans to say it’s ok though,he is recruiting well.
Posted by AuburnTigers
9x National Champion
Member since Aug 2013
17432 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:46 pm to
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Tons of Auburn fans to say it’s ok though,he is recruiting well.
you cant argue that he isnt recruiting at an elite level. His coaching sucks, but he is a great recruiter and salesman. iiwii
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
17302 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:48 pm to
shite, that’s great. Sorry , I guess I should be celebrating.
Posted by AuburnTigers
9x National Champion
Member since Aug 2013
17432 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:51 pm to
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shite, that’s great. Sorry , I guess I should be celebrating.
Naw you can keep being pissed. Just look at the big picture. Id rather have the studs here and go get a new coach, then fire the coach and hope like hell he can keep the class together and not lose the guys we got last cycle
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
17302 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:53 pm to
1940s! Yeah , love the talent and hope he keeps it coming because he is a joke of a football coach.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
34661 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:02 pm to
quote:

If you can’t see the improvement throughout the beginning of the year


Where exactly?

The only thing we did better was not turn the ball over at a comically high rate.

Defense didn't get better, special teams didn't get better, offense didn't get better (again other than the turnovers).

A lot of people somehow got blinded by 1 good quarter against a decent Texas AM team.
Posted by AuburnTigers
9x National Champion
Member since Aug 2013
17432 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:06 pm to
quote:

Where exactly?

Corner took huge strides this year. Safety got a lot better. Sylvester Smith improved a lot. Riddick played well for the most part.

Lot of freshman played this year and several will get all SEC awards and maybe Freshman All American

Harris was our best Safety this year, hands down.
This post was edited on 11/30/24 at 9:07 pm
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
17302 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:09 pm to
quote:

Corner took huge strides this year. Safety got a lot better. Sylvester Smith improved a lot. Riddick played well for the most part.


Our secondary was absolute trash today. Biggest weakness on defense.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
34661 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:10 pm to
I will readily admit I'm not watching film or rewatching enough to critique individual unit play so maybe you are right there. That said, the production did not get better.
Posted by AuburnTigers
9x National Champion
Member since Aug 2013
17432 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:18 pm to
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Our secondary was absolute trash today.
I dont think so. Our LBs didnt cover the TE or the RB out of the backfield worth a shite.

We didnt have the top taken off the defense except once when RW dropped the TD pass. Thompson sucked arse, but Harris was solid. Lee was solid. We had how many INTs?

I get your pissed, but come on. They entire group wasnt trash. Only a few players. The crucial PI on third and long? K Scott.

Crawford, Lee, Harris i thought played well enough. Maybe a few plays were they gave too much cushion but not as bad as you are portraying it
Posted by AUX3
Member since Dec 2010
3848 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:18 pm to
We sucked. In all phases. That is what 5-7 means. It means we sucked.
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