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In this post Saban era, when does this board usually start holding a coach responsible?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:06 am
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:06 am
Just curious... Saban was untouchable. You didn't question the goat. You knew he had it control. What about now? Saban isn't here anymore. So many of you think a QB change is the magic bullet we need. Yes, a change is needed at QB; however, we have a lot of issues that a QB change won't fix. This is a TEAM SPORT. At what point do you stop blaming everything on 1 player and start looking at the coaches for solutions?
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:07 am to bamabonners
Are you or are you not related to Milroe by blood?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:13 am to UhOhOreo
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UhOhOreo
Go read my posts. I'm fair in my criticism. You, on the other hand, sound like you have something personal against milroe. Did he steal your girl? You not like black a QB? What's your deal? Maybe go look in the mirror and figure out some shite.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:16 am to bamabonners
A first year head coach trying to implement his system gets a pass. They aren't running anything so complicated that a Junior Heisman favorite QB shouldn't be able to run.
It's that simple. Stop acting like an Auburn fan.
It's that simple. Stop acting like an Auburn fan.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 9:17 am
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:17 am to bamabonners
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In this post Saban era, when does this board usually start holding a coach responsible?
You can tell pretty quickly if a team is well coached and well prepared from week to week. This team is neither
Byrne should not have to demand staff changes at the end of the year. But he must if DeBoer doesn't on his own.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:20 am to BamaGradinTn
No offense, but this is what i don't like. To say he should just fire everyone takes all the responsibility from him. Same as it was for Saban and defense for me, if the offense isn't doing what it should, it is all on DeBoer. Defense is too, to a lesser degree.
With all that said, if you take Milroe out of the equation I think you have a different offense.
With all that said, if you take Milroe out of the equation I think you have a different offense.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:24 am to bamabonners
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Just curious... Saban was untouchable. You didn't question the goat. You knew he had it control. What about now? Saban isn't here anymore. So many of you think a QB change is the magic bullet we need. Yes, a change is needed at QB; however, we have a lot of issues that a QB change won't fix. This is a TEAM SPORT. At what point do you stop blaming everything on 1 player and start looking at the coaches for solutions?
When locker room politics have forced a new coach to marry himself to a quarterback he doesn't want by a team that isn't yet his, this is what you get.
CKD can't build a stable offense around a quarterback as bad as Jalen Milroe so frick yes, a "quarterback change" is the "magic bullet", straight up.
From game to game, no one knows how Milroe will perform. He can't do the basic things a competent quarterback can do, and the shite he does well, he only does sometimes.
CKD and his offensive staff get a full pass this season. LANK and the locker room kept this motherfricker under center. After next week, that shite ends.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:25 am to bamabonners
I think you can judge them after they get their own players in there. Deboer didn't ask for this headcase QB or fat arse unathletic lineman or average skill players or the overall entitled mentality of this team.
Maybe I'm naive, but I still believe in Coach Deboer. Hopefully things will change when he cycles in players who actually want to play for him.
Maybe I'm naive, but I still believe in Coach Deboer. Hopefully things will change when he cycles in players who actually want to play for him.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:26 am to imjustafatkid
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A first year head coach trying to implement his system gets a pass.
The worst issues have nothing to do with implementing a system. Vandy was better prepared for us than we were for them. Georgia made effective halftime adjustments. We didn't. South Carolina was better prepared and went to school off what Vanderbilt did and almost beat us. Coaches gifted Vandy a critical touchdown by having two players with the same number on the field on a play where they were actually trying to give us possession. We were woefully unprepared to stop a run heavy Oklahoma team. Add to that the fact that Milroe shows no evidence whatsoever of actually having been coached to be a better QB and has actually regressed.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:28 am to RJYH
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To say he should just fire everyone takes all the responsibility from him.
Why? The fact that he is responsible for the hiring, supervision, and if necessary, firing of staff is an absolute element of his responsibility.
Were you around for the Shula firing? A key factor in his firing is that he did not make changes to his staff as demanded by Moore at the end of the season.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 9:30 am
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:31 am to UhOhOreo
I’m fully convinced that some of his relatives have accounts on this board as well as BOL. Only a family member or close friend would defend him right now. Or perhaps they’re just trolls.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:34 am to bamabonners
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Go read my posts. I'm fair in my criticism. You, on the other hand, sound like you have something personal against milroe. Did he steal your girl? You not like black a QB? What's your deal? Maybe go look in the mirror and figure out some shite.
This is a dumb post made my a dumb person. Keep 'em coming, good stuff.
Jalen Milroe is a filthy rich, professional football player who deserves every single syllable of criticism he gets.
He's a shitty fricking quarterback who has been allowed to exploit the NIL and portal system to his own gain and the detriment of his team. A system that if it had guard rails, would've had that worthless motherfricker in a group of five program a long time ago.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 9:36 am
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:39 am to BamaGradinTn
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Regressed
Milroe hasn’t regressed, they just took the training wheel concepts off of him that Rees had on. Flood concepts to one side to make reads easier and narrow the field. Limited to no short passes or throws over the middle. A center making line adjustments for him. No read options to running read options.
The problem is he’s just dumb as a rock when it comes to the actual side of the game. He gets more leeway which results in some ceiling being flashed, but then you actually see his incredibly low floor like last weekend.
The only gripe I have outside of Milroe is with Womack, who also needs to be cycled this offseason. The concepts are there are on offense.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 9:41 am
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:40 am to bamabonners
quote:Your premise is blatantly, demonstrably false. Starting seniority over better talent. Going conservative with a lead. Losing to ULM. Hurts vs Tua. Oh, timeouts. That was always a hot topic of criticism.
You didn't question the goat.
To the rest of your post. No, Milroe is not the only issue with the team. The O-line has been a problem for at least the last 3 years.
I hated the way we lost to OU but loved the way OU played. With heart. Only thing they had on the line was the possibility of a meaningless bowl game. Those types of games will disappear. Welcome to the new world.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:41 am to AlterDWI
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I think you can judge them after they get their own players in there. Deboer didn't ask for this headcase QB or fat arse unathletic lineman or average skill players or the overall entitled mentality of this team.
Maybe I'm naive, but I still believe in Coach Deboer. Hopefully things will change when he cycles in players who actually want to play for him.
You're not. All of your post is correct.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:48 am to bamabonners
I think a QB change drastically helps our offense. I don't like Sheridan, he can't go off script, but he's also handcuffed, so that may be why. This isn't a knock at Jalen, he's just not fit for this offense. He would do well to turn on the tape of Hurts and copy him. Hard nosed, team first guy.
As for the defense...I'm sorry, the DC has to go. He simply doesn't understand the game. I'm shocked he's made it to this level. Every single person that's played a down of football would at the very least KNOW what Oklahoma was going to do. 6 receivers out and a QB that can run? 3 man front is the plan on a 3rd and short? What the actual frick? I've defended him as well. No more. I would love to hear his reasoning for how he called that game.
As for the defense...I'm sorry, the DC has to go. He simply doesn't understand the game. I'm shocked he's made it to this level. Every single person that's played a down of football would at the very least KNOW what Oklahoma was going to do. 6 receivers out and a QB that can run? 3 man front is the plan on a 3rd and short? What the actual frick? I've defended him as well. No more. I would love to hear his reasoning for how he called that game.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:52 am to Bamadiver
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You didn't question the goat.
Your premise is blatantly, demonstrably false. Starting seniority over better talent. Going conservative with a lead. Losing to ULM. Hurts vs Tua. Oh, timeouts. That was always a hot topic of criticism.
To the rest of your post. No, Milroe is not the only issue with the team. The O-line has been a problem for at least the last 3 years.
Also add in discipline. I love the "Saban wouldn't have stood for the lack of discipline" people. The penalties and dumb shite has been a problem for multiple seasons
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loved the way OU played. With heart.
I agree. You knew the white boy with the cowboy collar was going to give us everything he had. Love those old school types. We have a couple but not enough
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:53 am to bamabonners
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Just curious... Saban was untouchable. You didn't question the goat. You knew he had it control. What about now? Saban isn't here anymore. So many of you think a QB change is the magic bullet we need. Yes, a change is needed at QB; however, we have a lot of issues that a QB change won't fix. This is a TEAM SPORT. At what point do you stop blaming everything on 1 player and start looking at the coaches for solutions?
Just my opinion but if you want to completely kill Alabama football, the most effective way to do so would be to fire Deboer prior to 3-5 seasons. If we do that, we are on the hook for tens of millions of dollars and about half of our roster would transfer. Try rebuilding a roster in today's college football landscape with demanding Alabama fans. It would, quite literally, set the program back 5-7 years, possibly even more because the next coach would inherit a total rebuild project.
Being critical of coaches is one thing. Calling for terminating Deboer after one year is absolutely insane.
I want to see DeBoer's product with a decent QB before I pass judgement.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:58 am to bamabonners
Go watch DeBoers Washington and Fresno State offenses, then watch this years team. Something will become strikingly clear. None of those teams were a one-read or run offense. They were dynamic and put a lot of stress on defenses from being in conflict. The number of plays and looks that his previous teams gave was light years beyond what we've done this year. They can't be running more than 20% of the book.
We have had WR's open all year, but getting the ball to them would require coming off the first read and being able to diagnose what a defense is doing pre-snap. Watts and McElroy have both been very, very critical of Milroe having no plan and no idea what's happening pre-snap. He just snaps the ball and tries to win through athleticism. By this time in the year, WR's have become so decoupled from the game, they lose focus and make mistakes.
We can't even run RPO or an option game, because he can't make the right call on when to give the ball or keep it. He always defaults to keep it. Honestly, that may be the biggest knock on him there is. The RPO is a perfect weapon for someone with his skills, but he can't process the defense and doesn't have the capacity to execute.
Coaches can only set up the play, if you aren't executing, none of it matters.
We have had WR's open all year, but getting the ball to them would require coming off the first read and being able to diagnose what a defense is doing pre-snap. Watts and McElroy have both been very, very critical of Milroe having no plan and no idea what's happening pre-snap. He just snaps the ball and tries to win through athleticism. By this time in the year, WR's have become so decoupled from the game, they lose focus and make mistakes.
We can't even run RPO or an option game, because he can't make the right call on when to give the ball or keep it. He always defaults to keep it. Honestly, that may be the biggest knock on him there is. The RPO is a perfect weapon for someone with his skills, but he can't process the defense and doesn't have the capacity to execute.
Coaches can only set up the play, if you aren't executing, none of it matters.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:05 am to RolltidePA
You're correct. And Bama did show some new looks early in the season and after bye weeks where Jalen could pre-plan his deliveries. Jalen is what he is. You can win a lot of games with him, but against teams that can match talent or can coach the correct schemes coupled with our own inability to adjust on offense and defense, the prospects fall off of a cliff. Pretty sure he'd light things up at Washington or Indiana. Bama just plays better opponents and therefore needs a more complete skillset at QB. And a better O line.
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