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Shortsightedness of most fans
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:34 am
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:34 am
Something I find funny here is the complete short-sightedness and lack of self-awareness of:
"if we just do this next time ..."
or
"... learn from our mistakes, we'll win the next time we meet..."
or even in-game:
"... muh if refs ..." or "... muh ... if we'd scored ... "
It's as if the team who just beat you isn't going to be making adjustments as well.
How do you people who say this sort of thing constantly say this?
"if we just do this next time ..."
or
"... learn from our mistakes, we'll win the next time we meet..."
or even in-game:
"... muh if refs ..." or "... muh ... if we'd scored ... "
It's as if the team who just beat you isn't going to be making adjustments as well.
How do you people who say this sort of thing constantly say this?
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 8:36 am
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:37 am to theballguy
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How do you people who say this sort of thing constantly really believe this?
So you're saying give up hope and go do something else.
That's coming soon enough I'm afraid, and ironically enough, due to a different kind of short-sightedness.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:38 am to MtVernon
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So you're saying give up hope and go do something else.
Maybe there's a third thing that rhymes with "hope", genius.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:43 am to theballguy
Do both teams make the same level of adjustments?
A game that comes to mind is the 2010 Iron Bowl. Auburn must've made better adjustments during the game to create the comeback.
Did Bama even score in the second half? I don't think they did.
See? Football doesn't always follow formulas and expectations. It gets crazy.
It's like that with any comeback game. Otherwise, how do you explain one team dominating the first half and the other team dominating the second half? Has to be adjustments I guess.
A game that comes to mind is the 2010 Iron Bowl. Auburn must've made better adjustments during the game to create the comeback.
Did Bama even score in the second half? I don't think they did.
See? Football doesn't always follow formulas and expectations. It gets crazy.
It's like that with any comeback game. Otherwise, how do you explain one team dominating the first half and the other team dominating the second half? Has to be adjustments I guess.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 8:44 am
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:48 am to theballguy
I guess assuming all other things are equal?
Case in point, fans (and KD!) were livid when the dpi wasn't called against ga, and it was a bad no call. Difference is often mentality... DeBoer wanting to continue the drive for opportunity, the fans often assuming "MUH REFS! JUST TOOK A TUDDIE OFF THE BOARD!!"
Each game has it's own life. The next time UA plays GA, whether the outcome is the same or not, both teams will have changes.
Case in point, fans (and KD!) were livid when the dpi wasn't called against ga, and it was a bad no call. Difference is often mentality... DeBoer wanting to continue the drive for opportunity, the fans often assuming "MUH REFS! JUST TOOK A TUDDIE OFF THE BOARD!!"
Each game has it's own life. The next time UA plays GA, whether the outcome is the same or not, both teams will have changes.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:50 am to theballguy
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It's as if the team who just beat you isn't going to be making adjustments as well.
It's an extremely common practice to believe that the winning team will operate under the presumption that they have to make NO changes and the outcome will be the same.
This is known as the "Les Miles Principle" who felt that, after beating Alabama 9-6 in 2011 that he didn't have to change anything to beat them again in the NCG.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:54 am to theballguy
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Shortsightedness of most fans
The average fan is probably drunk while watching games anyway.
It's hilarious to watch fans blame "creativity" or "playcalling" or "coaching" when players aren't executing and praise those things when the players are executing.
Fans generally put too much blame on coaches when things go bad and give them way too much credit when things go good.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:57 am to i am dan
Adjustments, attitude is another. Teams with big leads get lackadaisical, and the play calling turns very conservative. Most teams catching beat downs don’t have the roster or coaching to capitalize, uga does.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:57 am to theballguy
But when Bama loses to LSU by a point in OT (after the officials missed a block in the back call on their go ahead touchdown), THE DECLINE IS REAL! BAMA WILL NEVER WIN ANOTHER GAME! WORST TEAM EVA!!!11
Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:00 am to theballguy
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"if we just do this next time ..."
IMO this seems to be a fallacy regarding Georgia's second-half comeback on Saturday.
Credit to their staff and their team for giving them a chance a win, and they obviously almost pulled it off.
But in a normal scenario in no way is Georgia prepared to go for it on every fourth down, go for two after every score, pass the ball 50 times (!), etc.
Most of those situations were required because they were essentially conceding otherwise. Nearly every single gamble paid off until the final drive. Statistically that will not work out in your favor again (or else that would be the game plan every week).
Great team, great effort. Just not very likely at all to happen in the context of a normal matchup.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:06 am to skrayper
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he didn't have to change anything to beat them again in the NCG.
It wasn't a game.,, it was a MAULING!!
Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:31 am to theballguy
There's very little objectivity on this board. If any.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:34 am to theballguy
Overreactions crack me up...
UGA sucks only beat Kentucky by 1
Texas underwheliming victory over State, overrated
Mizzou sucks barely beat Vandy
Bama in trouble this year because they struggled vs USF
teams play games like this all the time and only if it is a pattern that repeats itself is it a problem
UGA sucks only beat Kentucky by 1
Texas underwheliming victory over State, overrated
Mizzou sucks barely beat Vandy
Bama in trouble this year because they struggled vs USF
teams play games like this all the time and only if it is a pattern that repeats itself is it a problem
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:10 pm to skrayper
Exactly. They may affect each other but each game and each series and each down is different.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:12 pm to paperwasp
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IMO this seems to be a fallacy regarding Georgia's second-half comeback on Saturday.
My point is that none of it's a given. I'm not saying the opposite of what these idiots are saying is the truth but rather, what you think doesn't matter nearly as much as you think it does.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:15 pm to bamabaseballsec
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the play calling turns very conservative
This is the science of games.
When neither team has a clear advantage in score, you remain conservative to some degree. You don't want to give the game away on a stupid play.
When one team is up by I don't know ... 28 points ... you don't away to give the game away on stupid plays either.
However when you're down, you have to open it up indiscriminately.
Even when it's tight, you can still take your shots, you just have to do it at the right time.
It's amazing how many people have a hard time with thinking on their feet without following a script.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:23 pm to theballguy
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Something I find funny here is the complete short-sightedness and lack of self-awareness of:
"if we just do this next time ..."
or
"... learn from our mistakes, we'll win the next time we meet..."
or even in-game:
"... muh if refs ..." or "... muh ... if we'd scored ... "
It's as if the team who just beat you isn't going to be making adjustments as well.
How do you people who say this sort of thing constantly say this?
We're fans, short for fanatics. We want to believe in our teams even if it goes against conventional wisdom at times. I'm not saying I do these things all the time, but I've been guilty of them.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:30 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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We're fans, short for fanatics. We want to believe in our teams even if it goes against conventional wisdom at times. I'm not saying I do these things all the time, but I've been guilty of them.
True and I'm not referring to someone like yourself who understands this. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who believe it 100% and this country is worse off for it.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:02 pm to theballguy
Yep, I agree.
I think I've told this story before, but briefly, back in 2012 Alabama was at Missouri and there was a weather delay due to heavy rain and lightning.
Everyone goes to the tunnel to regroup, and Saban gets the staff to start passing out these binders. On the binders? "Game Plan Adjustments for Weather Delays," or some shite to that effect.
Point is, the man was prepared for everything except the unexpected, which is why I personally think he struggled a bit against backup QBs — there simply wasn't enough film or physical time to prep for every possible player (think Cardale Jones with Ezekiel Elliott in 2015).
I don't think anyone on Saturday thought Georgia would dump the majority of their game plan and air raid the final 30 minutes of the game. How do you adjust presumably weeks of work on certain defensive concepts, on the fly, to account for that?
I also think Sark was maybe the best at in-game offensive adjustments. He was lightning-quick at exploiting whatever you tried defensively.
I think I've told this story before, but briefly, back in 2012 Alabama was at Missouri and there was a weather delay due to heavy rain and lightning.
Everyone goes to the tunnel to regroup, and Saban gets the staff to start passing out these binders. On the binders? "Game Plan Adjustments for Weather Delays," or some shite to that effect.
Point is, the man was prepared for everything except the unexpected, which is why I personally think he struggled a bit against backup QBs — there simply wasn't enough film or physical time to prep for every possible player (think Cardale Jones with Ezekiel Elliott in 2015).
I don't think anyone on Saturday thought Georgia would dump the majority of their game plan and air raid the final 30 minutes of the game. How do you adjust presumably weeks of work on certain defensive concepts, on the fly, to account for that?
I also think Sark was maybe the best at in-game offensive adjustments. He was lightning-quick at exploiting whatever you tried defensively.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:05 pm to theballguy
It even applies to the people who say things like “we already saw the outcome just a few weeks ago, if so and so didn’t get hurt it would be the same..” as if the team you are facing wouldn’t make adjustments as well..
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