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2 million a year for this???
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:36 pm
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Posted on 9/9/24 at 10:10 am to surgicalvenom
With MU being so successful he's getting an earful.
It's a double whammy.
I almost feel bad for they guy.
It's a double whammy.
I almost feel bad for they guy.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:02 am to surgicalvenom
I will be posting this on the main rant. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:14 am to Tiger_Claw
Really, just how bad has LSU's defensive recruiting been the last few years. However good Baker might be, he's got damn little to work with.
And that might be an ongoing problem because I don't think Baker is that great of a recruiter.
And that might be an ongoing problem because I don't think Baker is that great of a recruiter.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 12:29 pm to Drydock
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Really, just how bad has LSU's defensive recruiting been the last few years. However good Baker might be, he's got damn little to work with.
It has been decent (really good on a national level). Last year our defense with all that NFL talent was primarily rated between 30 and 60 in all of the big national statistic categories for defense. LSU's defense will likely be a bit better than that but our fanbase's (and probably LSU's HC Kelly) view of Baker was really skewed by the phenomenal tOSU performance.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 12:55 pm to Drydock
It's not a talent problem, it's a culture problem. Word is Harold Perkins is calling the shots about how/where he plays. If he played for Mizzou he would have gladly plugged in for JC Carlies and have 2-3 sacks already.
Mizzou is Kansas State with better talent. A disciplined team and culture will beat or challenge teams with individual talent. OU proves this every year.
Baker can't flip that switch at LSU.
Mizzou is Kansas State with better talent. A disciplined team and culture will beat or challenge teams with individual talent. OU proves this every year.
Baker can't flip that switch at LSU.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 1:15 pm to notsince98
Jacksonville State was ranked 15th in rushing defense. Troy was ranked 13th. They weren't better vs the run than Missouri.
At 32nd in the nation, Baker's defense allowed 122 rushing YPG. aTm was 14th at 108 YPG. 14 yds.....that's not much of a hill to die on. Missouri was 3rd nationally in rushing TDs allowed at 8, best in the SEC.
Baker put a good defense on the field last year.
At 32nd in the nation, Baker's defense allowed 122 rushing YPG. aTm was 14th at 108 YPG. 14 yds.....that's not much of a hill to die on. Missouri was 3rd nationally in rushing TDs allowed at 8, best in the SEC.
Baker put a good defense on the field last year.
This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 9/9/24 at 1:43 pm to navynuke
Navy your right Missouri fans are butt hurt over Baker leaving but he did a hell of a job here. Took over a shitshow after Wilkes and turned them around. Mizzou was also good in the red zone last year overall not just rushing to’s.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 1:53 pm to Tackle74
Once conference play started, Missouri was nails in the red zone. They were the 3rd best scoring D in the league as well.
Havoc forward defenses are going to give up some chunk plays, but it's called the score board and not Yards Board for a reason.
Havoc forward defenses are going to give up some chunk plays, but it's called the score board and not Yards Board for a reason.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 2:10 pm to navynuke
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At 32nd in the nation, Baker's defense allowed 122 rushing YPG. aTm was 14th at 108 YPG. 14 yds.....that's not much of a hill to die on.
I'm not dying on any hill. I'm just stating the facts. He was above average at Missouri for sure. If someone wants to call that "good" that is obviously subjective. I think everyone would agree it is not "very good" nor was it "great." It definitely was not worthy of being the highest paid coordinator in the country.
Some 2023 national rankings to ponder (these are all NATIONAL rankings):
PPG - 25th
RYPG - 32
RYPC - 38
RTDs - 4
RY total - 31
PYPG - 47
PassD rating - 67th
PYPA - 37th
PTDs - 90th
PD INTS - 87th
TDYPG - 34th
TDYPP - 45
Sacks - 11
TFL/gm - 22
INTs/gm - 95
OPP3rd down conv - 49
Opp4th Down Conv - 124
RZscore% - 55
RZ TD % - 31
Opponent Long Scrimmage # of plays
10+ yards - 87
20+ - 89
30+ - 35
40+ - 3
50+ - 2
Opponent Long Rush # of plays
10+ yards - 95
20+ - 54
30+ - 48
40+ - 2
50+ - 1
Opponent Passing # of plays:
10+ yards - 69
20+ - 108
30+ - 38
40+ - 6
50+ - 5
I guess I may have been wrong. Looking at the totality of this our D might not have been above average nationally and might have actually been average or below average.
EDIT: I should add this does not account for the relative advantage in NFL talent our D had vs the rest of the country. I'm not sure any team had more NFL talent than our D did last year. I'm starting to think our D might be just fine under Drink regardless of the DC. He might be getting a handle on this HC thing.
This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 9/9/24 at 2:19 pm to navynuke
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Jacksonville State was ranked 15th in rushing defense. Troy was ranked 13th. They weren't better vs the run than Missouri.
They might have been. Can't say for sure one way or other without more direct comparison data.
We could probably go cherry pick some teams that were behind MU in the stats and say they were better because they played better teams.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 4:35 am to notsince98
Troy and Jville allowed fewer yds than Iowa. I guess they are better them too....Cmon man.
Neither of those two teams, along with most of the other schools ranked ahead of Missouri, are allowing 100 ypg after playing an 8 game SEC schedule and you know it.
If you want to pretend that having one of the best defenses in the SEC isn't good, you do you.
Neither of those two teams, along with most of the other schools ranked ahead of Missouri, are allowing 100 ypg after playing an 8 game SEC schedule and you know it.
If you want to pretend that having one of the best defenses in the SEC isn't good, you do you.
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 5:03 am
Posted on 9/10/24 at 7:17 am to navynuke
This is not addressed to you, Nuke. Just general thought.
We had a good defense with Baker.
It’s fun to troll LSU fans.
We don’t have to troll our own board and pretend our defense was bad last year.
We had a good defense with Baker.
It’s fun to troll LSU fans.
We don’t have to troll our own board and pretend our defense was bad last year.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 8:10 am to notsince98
Here's how Baker's defense ranked Nationally and in the SEC vs P5 opponents last year
Scoring D- 20th 2nd in the SEC
Total D 32nd 5th
Sacks- 10th 3rd
TFLs- 21st 3rd
3rd D% 42nd 6th
RZD% 26th 1st
That is two seasons removed from being in a dogfight with Vandy to have the worst defense in the SEC.
That is why he is the highest paid coordinator in the country. He has a roster full of elite talent and one of the best edge coaches in the country. They may not be a championship defense this season, but next season, they are going to be a problem
Scoring D- 20th 2nd in the SEC
Total D 32nd 5th
Sacks- 10th 3rd
TFLs- 21st 3rd
3rd D% 42nd 6th
RZD% 26th 1st
That is two seasons removed from being in a dogfight with Vandy to have the worst defense in the SEC.
That is why he is the highest paid coordinator in the country. He has a roster full of elite talent and one of the best edge coaches in the country. They may not be a championship defense this season, but next season, they are going to be a problem
Posted on 9/10/24 at 8:36 am to navynuke
Yup. And that does not represent a "very good" defense. We were above average/maybe good with more NFL talent than everyone.
Lets not lie about what Baker did here. It wasn't elite.
Lets not lie about what Baker did here. It wasn't elite.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 8:39 am to notsince98
2nd in Scoring D and 1st in RZD in the best FB conference in the nation is very good.
I'm sorry. Blake hurt your feelings.
I'm sorry. Blake hurt your feelings.
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 9:09 am
Posted on 9/10/24 at 9:14 am to navynuke
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2nd in Scoring D and 1st in RZD in the best FB conference in the nation is very good.
I'm sorry. Blake hurt your feelings.
Blake didn't hurt my feelings. I'm glad he improved things and I'm glad we look even better after he left.
I'm just pointing out Baker was not the messiah of Mizzou's D. You love to cherry pick 1 or 2 filtered stats (can't use a whole season against even bad opponents) to make yourself feel better despite the overwhelming evidence (even in stats you posted yourself) showing the defense was somewhere around above average to good. that was a huge improvement, yes. What you are displaying is called cognitive dissonance. Why do you think above average to good is so bad? Why is that so insulting to you? Are you related to Baker?
If we want this team to be as good as we hope, this defense needs to be measurably better than anything Baker did. If Baker is going to be the benchmark, then we are not going to do anything special any time soon. We have been better than what Baker did and we should expect better than what Baker did.
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 9:16 am
Posted on 9/10/24 at 9:33 am to notsince98
Scoring D is all that matters and 2nd in the SEC in league play and 1st in RZD in legaue play is all that matters.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 9:54 am to notsince98
Scoring D isn't cherry picking, Supreme.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:01 am to notsince98
I would take your opinions more seriously if you didn't have such horrible takes in the past regarding Brady Cook and Cody Schrader. Remember when you said Schrader wouldn't make an NFL roster, and then gloated when he didn't get drafted? You've got an obvious anti-STL bias, and it makes you look petty and foolish.
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