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When did our athletics lose their pride?

Posted on 6/3/24 at 6:00 pm
Posted by Rzrbackguy
Apalachicola, FL
Member since Jul 2014
2530 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 6:00 pm
I confess….I’m old enough to remember the 69 Texas game…Orange Bowl beating OU like a drum. Triplets, Nolan…

Through about 2008 or so, for the most part there was some pride and spunk to anything Razorback. Teams respected us and knew it would be a tussle in any sport.

I dunno when that went away…but there seems to be no pride left. It’s become a business and kids just leave when their feelings get hurt. Worst of all…we are basically an afterthought if we aren’t a laughingstock..and that’s across all the major sports. Yes, I know we are sometimes pretty good at track.

I miss it….but I’ve discovered saltwater fly fishing so I’ll be ok.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 6:01 pm
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18165 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 6:14 pm to
Jeff long. Seriously that is the exact answer to your question.
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2008
38127 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 6:49 pm to
After the motorcycle fiasco imo.

Football was rolling, DVH had solid teams and Pel was on his way out.
What ensued after that was an unmitigated disaster by Jeff Long.


FWIW, I'll be spending more time this fall chasing specks and reds in the back bays.

Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26709 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 8:04 pm to
Losing and doing so in the most embarrassing ways. Getting close to the top of the hill but lose and lose again when the lights are turned on. It becomes boring and stagnant. Charlie brown, Lucy removes the football effect.

Firings and scandals followed by national embarrassment on the field didn't help that went on and on.

Lack of care. By making excuses for the problem instead of finding a solution. Lack of brainstorming and forward thinking.

Poor decision making by the AD and administration. Jeff Long was hired and fired many former Broyles players that were pivotal in the growth of the program. Many older fans complained of the firing of Chuck Dicus. Not hiring Terry Don Phillips hurt.

Greed by raising ticket prices and donations despite the continuous losing in football. This tuned away many die hard fans.

A whole generation that grew up in the state had witnessed how bad Arkansas sports became. Another blow is NIL and the portal which loyalty is only to the highest bidder. It doesn't help that Arkansas doesn't use NIL in keeping instate players home. Instead overlooking them for players that don't give a damn and just hit the portal when feelings get hurt.


This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 8:08 pm
Posted by Rzrbackguy
Apalachicola, FL
Member since Jul 2014
2530 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:51 am to
Good thoughts. I think that’s it.

Is it reversible or will our kids and grandkids never understand Razorback pride? I fear it may be over.

ARHog…I’m in Apalachicola. If you want to come chase some tarpon along with the specs and reds…let me know. Primary tool is a fly rod!
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2008
38127 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

ARHog…I’m in Apalachicola. If you want to come chase some tarpon along with the specs and reds…let me know. Primary tool is a fly rod!


4 hrs west, I'll take you up on it

Posted by Rzrbackguy
Apalachicola, FL
Member since Jul 2014
2530 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:34 pm to
Shoot me an email at gwilkerson26@att.net and we can exchange contact info.
Posted by Clark14
Earth
Member since Dec 2014
26086 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:48 pm to
quote:

I confess….I’m old enough to remember the 69 Texas game…Orange Bowl beating OU like a drum. Triplets, Nolan…


Great times for sure. To me it never was the same after Frank left. It seemed like something that was such a huge part of my entire life had died.

Jeff long came in and tried to shape in his image but it never stuck.

The 2021 season with a hungry team and our state born walkon linebackers showing great leadership was the closest I’d seen to what it used to be in forever. I was hoping Sam would bring back what we had since he understood it but that looks like a pipe dream now.

Oh well, I’ll still be supporting them the best I can.
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
4327 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 7:50 am to
I don't really care about football anymore. It started at the end of 2016 when we refused to fire Bert, only to let him bring us a dismal 2017 and end up doing it then. Everyone knew we were gonna end up having to do that, but we let him set us another year massively behind. Then the apathy sank in even more when we hired Chad, who everyone knew was going to be a disaster, but was worse than I thought. I became ambivalent when we hired Pittman, and although 2021 was a nice surprise, football is dead to me after we didn't fire him at the end of last year. Even making a flashy, homerun hire wouldn't restore it for me at this point. Mostly because the NIL changes and bowl opt-outs have ruined the significance of the sport itself for me. Arkansas football is for people with Stockholm Syndrome and for the college kids to have social events for four years. That's it.

For basketball, I was all-in on Muss and was since day one, and I really wish he liked it here more. With Calipari? Everyone is saying we hired our basketball Jimbo. Maybe so. It's more than likely his glory days are behind him. But A&M fricked up with Jimbo because they made it known right out the gate that he had until the end of time to win a natty, and he wasn't going anywhere with a ridiculous $75M buyout. I respected the fact that they went out and got a coach who won the NC only five years prior and had only one single bad season in his coaching career. They did it in the most Aggie way, but it showed the fire of an attitude that I wish Arkansas had: that they were going to go out and compete, look like they give a shite, and spend whatever it took doing so. Meanwhile, we were hiring coaches with three years of losing experience at SMU, and lifelong offensive line coaches, and still somehow massively overpaying.

But we finally showed that attitude with Cal. He's the highest paid coach on campus by a significant margin, and rightfully so, since football isn't a thing we're ever going to be serious in again. So we're at least going to have good recruiting, make the tournament every year, and not be laughingstocks.

As far as baseball goes, we have our baseball Mark Richt. The difference between me saying that vs. a Georgia fan is Mark Richt was a good coach and I'd have been grateful for him. Nonetheless, a spade is a spade, and I kept up with baseball less when May started because I knew we were in for a disappointment, and after the SEC tournament, I didn't even watch a single Regional game. I had no idea we were eliminated until someone said so at work, because even though I 100% expected to make it out of the Regionals, I knew we weren't making it out of Supers. And this is nothing against DVH, again, I've never called for that man to be fired. But for the past two years in a row, we've spent the entire year ranked in the top five (#1 for half the season this year), and then got upset in a Regional that we hosted. In 2021, we were #1 almost the whole year and got upset in our own Super. In case any of you weren't aware, you have to go all the way back to 2019 to see us lose a home series in baseball… until the post-season rolls around, and then we somehow drop a series when it matters the most against decidedly subpar competition. With our home record and the talent we have, hosting a Regional should be a sure thing. Three out of the past four years being complete busts ain't really doing it for me, and the teams DVH coaches being the most unclutch teams I've ever seen has to be addressed somehow. Maybe a change in hitting coaches would inspire me a bit, but whatever.

My attitude right there is part of the problem, but when I'm right about 70% of the time, then I feel pretty justified. It's not that I have no pride, it still stings when I see other ADs achieve, but we support a business that cares about selling tickets and merch more than giving fans a ROI. Why bother when their addiction is going to keep the machine going? You can just mail it in
Posted by spehog
Little Rock
Member since Mar 2011
1206 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:09 pm to
A lot of all yall already said. I’ll throwing I’m in my mid 30s doing sales in central Arkansas. It’s hard having convos because it’s so popular now just to say Hogs gonna hog/everyone has a negative attitude about the program. Hard to want to talk at all at times. I’ve had to mute group chats trying to be a voice of reason but I guess it’s more fun to be a negative bitch and whine at everything instead of try to find solutions.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
64589 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

I’ve had to mute group chats trying to be a voice of reason but I guess it’s more fun to be a negative bitch and whine at everything instead of try to find solutions.
This is where I am. The constant negativity has gotten really old to me, but it's not like it isn't justified. I've just simply gotten more apathetic.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26709 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:23 pm to
It's more apathy now. Fans are past the negativity.

Posted by oklahogjr
Gold Membership
Member since Jan 2010
40237 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:26 pm to
I refuse to be more upset about losing than the athletic team doing the losing.

So every sport is a little different I think. It wasn't all at once but slow degradation of our establishments.

First went basketball back with Nolan

Then went baseball as that foul ball eluded us.

Football I'm still not sure we recovered from the sturnover or fish fumble
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
64589 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:26 pm to
quote:

Fans are past the negativity.
You're literally on the rant right now talking about how a coach with two conference titles in the last four years should go away.

Fans are not beyond the negativity.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26709 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:47 pm to
He should since he is making excuses and complains about older players from SEMO, we don't have the players, Arkansas would be average without Smith, the portal is a problem and not doing anything about it.

He is getting paid $1.2 million a year and the last thing anyone regardless if they are a hog fan or a casual college baseball observer is going to tolerate complaining from the head coach.

Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
24005 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 4:13 pm to
I have a bit more hope, than I did overall at this point.

Football, Pitt surprised many of us with 9 wins... He hasn't forgotten how to coach the Oline, he for some reason just didn't. I know that he is more involved than ever with them. Petrino hasn't forgotten how to scheme and run a successful offense, Our defensive coaches have shown a remarkable ability to go above predictions on that side with Woodson, etc.

Special teams will be a crapshoot... most likely. WR's Fine, TE's good, RB's should be fine...


Basketball: I am excited that Cal has adopted the view of 3-4 freshmen who hopefully will have a few develop and stay with NIL, and hit the portal. I think we will do very well.

Baseball: Remains to be seen, but what you... or someone wrote above about him being our "Richt" is probably spot on. Let's see him hit the portal.

Football will either sink, or swim this season and the hope is there because we will either have some success, or begin anew.
Posted by Rzrbackguy
Apalachicola, FL
Member since Jul 2014
2530 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 7:16 am to
Hang in there Rev…..I’m rooting for you!
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
8914 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 9:00 am to
You called it Pride, I called it quit and people think I’m wrong. But it happens when you hire 4 failed football coaches in a row. Then you don’t hold them to standards, so they can’t hold the kids to standards.

Hire 2-3 failed basketball coaches in a row, who are content with mediocrity.

Then you get a coach in baseball, who has made us good enough to never be fired. He has became the world’s best college regular season coach. Then it’s like he has no aspirations to take the next step. If he did, the hitting coach would be let go last week, but he is going to good guy Dave him and let him take another job, just like Sam did with Odom. Instead of saying you failed to meet expectations, you are gone.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 9:02 am
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
24005 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 10:13 am to
quote:

but he is going to good guy Dave him and let him take another job, just like Sam did with Odom. Instead of saying you failed to meet expectations, you are gone.



I have no problem with this, as long as he is gone overall... But something has to give.
Posted by Pygthagorean Theorem
Member since Aug 2015
8084 posts
Posted on 6/6/24 at 10:32 am to
I do bc it is baseball portal season now.
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