re: The criticism of Brian Kelly is interesting

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If these guys coming in for visits just flat out say "show me the money"

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This is quite literally exactly what is happening in some cases.

Kelly, Deion and even Saban have alluded to it in interviews.

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I've seen it mentioned (rumor mill) that it takes $10,000 cash just to get the big dogs to even step foot on campus. In other words, regardless of where the prospect ends up, it' $10grand just for a coach to get a sit-down.

I thank bk for his comments .
Cfb is a cesspool

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Losing 7 games (5 of them blowouts) with a Heisman winner playing QB and two first round WR's seems like a pretty big underachievement. 

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Or we could say that Kelly has never had talent like he has at LSU and has already developed a Heisman winning quarterback and two first round receivers despite it being the first two seasons of a rebuild.

I'm sure you'd spin it that way if it were Alabama.

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Ed Orgeron in year 1 at LSU finished 18th in the nation.
In year 2 he finished 6th (first year with great QB).
In year 3 he finished 1st (2nd year with great QB).

Kelly in year 1 at LSU finished 16th (first year with great QB).
In year 2 at LSU he finished 12th (2nd year with great QB)

So far he's lagging a little behind Ed Orgeron pace. If he wins a national title this year he'll equal Ed. If not he'd be behind him in terms of performance.

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Not surprising, he took over a worse situation than O did.

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Why Kelly and not any other HC?

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I don’t know, you tell me. The obsession with Kelly is so odd considering how many opposing fanbases claim to want nothing to do with him. LSU fans also dont go around claiming how good he is like tenner fans do with heupel, bama fans do with Kalen, etc. LSU fans are happy with the direction he is taking the program so it’s honestly hysterical watching all you haters creating new ways to shite on him everyday.

I promise no matter how hard yall try to get us to dislike him, it just won’t work and I think that really gets under yalls skin because you know he has and will continue to be successful at LSU.

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Ya'll are so full of shite it's coming out of your eyes. Pre-NIL and Post NIL head coaches knew and know now what amount of money or other inducements it would/will take to get a certain player to sign. Was Saban paying players? You're God damn right he was. Maybe not from his own pocketbook. But did he know what it would take to get them to sign? Absolutely. Were there buffers between him and the bag men? Absolutely. But he knew what it would take and made sure it happened.

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No, that's the bullshite you've made up in your head because that's what losers do rather than accept the reality. Because LSU is obviously the worlds best football program in the world and the only way anyone can do better is by cheating in your feeble mind.

Or you just plain lack the ability to see what you are really claiming.

If your HC is buying players, all it does is undermine the coaches authority. Your coach will never be able to discipline the players, because doing so gives that player the power and ability to end the coaches career at any point. All the player has to do is say to the coach, if you don't do what I say, your entire career is over, I will expose you for paying me.

Same for boosters or anyone else the HC comes in contact with. You don't seem to realize the power you as a person are giving to the other party when you commit things like this.

And you think Saban, a man who is known for discipline and being an authoritarian is giving up this power to many players every single year and manage to keep it under wraps 3 decades?

Hell, he didn't even like the shite in the NFL because he didn't like the lack of authority and control over the players. And now you are telling me he instead preferred it in college football?

All the facilities, support, coaching staff and things Alabama and top programs spend is for what? What Nick Saban sold was top of the line support and training for a future in the NFL where they would make millions. And it was successful because he had the results to back it up.

If a player got paid, it's done by boosters. And the HC wouldn't need to say anything, or manage the amounts, or any of that other bullshite fiction you've made up in your head. Who the coach wants and who the good players are isn't some big mystery. What they do isn't really under the control of anyone and the secret is only between that player and the booster. Schools can only try to monitor it and report anything they find immediately to show institutional control.

But I guess none of that reality helps fuel your hatred and ignorance to help you cope with reality.

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I've seen it mentioned (rumor mill) that it takes $10,000 cash just to get the big dogs to even step foot on campus. In other words, regardless of where the prospect ends up, it' $10grand just for a coach to get a sit-down.

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I’ve read the exact same

it is disingenuous to take Kelly’s words here and twist them

He clearly states LSU has NIL opportunities. What he is not willing to do is get into a bidding war for a portal player that is purely approaching his visit from a monetary standpoint.

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He clearly states LSU has NIL opportunities. What he is not willing to do is get into a bidding war for a portal player that is purely approaching his visit from a monetary standpoint.

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If you don't want it to be just about money, you have to sell the player on something else.

Failing to do so is more about the coach than the player. Blaming the player for taking more money isn't a winning strategy going forward for getting players in the future. It's an excuse for fans who are annoyed you failed to land players.

It's not the players job to come to your schools when you offer less. It's your job to convince the player to take less to come to your school.

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It's not the players job to come to your schools when you offer less. It's your job to convince the player to take less to come to your school.

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What, like being developed by Bo Davis?

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When the player and his grifter of a handler only care about money, and ask you for more than any player on the roster or coach on staff (other than Kelly) is making in a given year, there's not much else you can do other than to tell them to kindly frick off.

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The reality is it's only a matter of time before some players are making more than OCs and DCs in Power 2 football. It will take a while for a given player to make more than a Power 2 head coach but that time is fast approaching as well.

Honestly, I feel LSU or TAF hired BK without a single consideration for NIL and we all knew NIL was likely to become a reality.