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Bama hasn't had a top 5 scoring defense since 2017
Posted on 1/14/24 at 10:57 am
Posted on 1/14/24 at 10:57 am
We've been hovering in the mid teens that whole time, good not great. I want to see great defense again.
I hope deboer brings his whole offensive staff, but I'm not sure I want his defensive guys, Washington was 58 and 56 his 2 years there. They were in the 30s the previous 2 seasons, and were perennial top 15, often top 5 while Peterson was there. Might have just been a matter of the defensive talent level tanking after Peterson left, not enough data to know
Fresno State was 20th his second year which was a nice jump from 68th his first year there. That was the highest ranked defense of his 4 fbs coaching seasons
I hope deboer brings his whole offensive staff, but I'm not sure I want his defensive guys, Washington was 58 and 56 his 2 years there. They were in the 30s the previous 2 seasons, and were perennial top 15, often top 5 while Peterson was there. Might have just been a matter of the defensive talent level tanking after Peterson left, not enough data to know
Fresno State was 20th his second year which was a nice jump from 68th his first year there. That was the highest ranked defense of his 4 fbs coaching seasons
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Posted on 1/14/24 at 11:03 am to narddogg81
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Posted on 1/14/24 at 11:17 am to narddogg81
It’s usually a great offense or a great defense. Very rarely is it both. I believe SMU is the only team with a top 20 Offense and Defense this year
This post was edited on 1/14/24 at 11:20 am
Posted on 1/14/24 at 11:21 am to narddogg81
Statistics show a Top 30 defense is what it takes to win a National Championship. Off is usually in top 15. I'd be happy with both those numbers in year 1.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 11:25 am to narddogg81
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but I'm not sure I want his defensive guys
I've got a lot of people angry at me for suggesting this, but not sure why. We all know the best defensive minds are in the South.
A mashup of West coast offense and Good ol Southern defense would seem like a slam dunk recipe for success IMO.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 12:04 pm to narddogg81
I don't know how to take overall defensive stats. Maybe SoG can relate then via data but to me there are so many variables. You have a Tua led offense with those weapons... Your defense stats are going to suffer ( but you gut points). You run a ball control offense, and have a viable offense you can limit the opponent to 6 .7 possessions- is your defense great? . You play west coast big 12 ..or do you play Big10 snow
I think this was Lanes problem. You need a 69 TD? Lanes gotbthat. But also 6 3 outs or is 51-50 and 1000 yds of offense. Sark seemed to have a balance but to me McElwain has the most defensive friendly offense. Chain moving clock eating scoring. It gave defense rest, few opportunities for the opponents and made the opponents predictable (benefitting Bama defense). There were studs on Bamas defense ...now doubt but if 2010 era D has an OC of Lane Kiffen, then their stats would have put them much higher ( not necessarily losing games...just worse stats)
I think this was Lanes problem. You need a 69 TD? Lanes gotbthat. But also 6 3 outs or is 51-50 and 1000 yds of offense. Sark seemed to have a balance but to me McElwain has the most defensive friendly offense. Chain moving clock eating scoring. It gave defense rest, few opportunities for the opponents and made the opponents predictable (benefitting Bama defense). There were studs on Bamas defense ...now doubt but if 2010 era D has an OC of Lane Kiffen, then their stats would have put them much higher ( not necessarily losing games...just worse stats)
Posted on 1/14/24 at 12:19 pm to narddogg81
The last DT we had drafted in the first round was around 2019.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 1:12 pm to narddogg81
Saban is the GOAT but feel like our rivals figured out how to attack his defense, a fresh restart might not be so bad in some areas.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 9:47 pm to narddogg81
Greatly miss an elite defense. Kirby has done a good job and Mich did it this year. FSU’s defense was very good as well.
As exciting as the high octane offenses are, I still believe defense wins championships.
As exciting as the high octane offenses are, I still believe defense wins championships.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:51 am to narddogg81
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They were in the 30s the previous 2 seasons, and were perennial top 15, often top 5 while Peterson was there. Might have just been a matter of the defensive talent level tanking after Peterson left, not enough data to know
There’s more than enough data to know. Jimmy Lake was the DC while Peterson was there. Saban tried to hire him on a couple occasions over the years but always stayed at UW. He was considered an elite DC and is now an assistant HC with the LA Rams
Peterson ended up retiring and Lake got the HC role at Washington and was there for the 2020 and 2021 seasons. He didn’t have much success winning or recruiting; was fired and DeBoer was hired to turn things around.
When Lake was fired a good portion of the defense either left or wasn’t very good to start with. They were fairly well gutted on that side of the ball, and wasn’t a great situation defensively there.
As for what things looks like going forward, I expect that DeBoer will try to fill out the defensive roles with long time SEC guys. We’re kind of seeing that already.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 7:52 am
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:08 pm to narddogg81
you cant really go by that, if I am lets say Nevada and I run the ball a lot and take time off the clock, my defense will see the field a lot less and I will not give up as many points. Look at the whole Big 10, they all play that style, so lets say Wisc. loses to Penn. St 17-10, does that meat ot was great defense?
You have to go by yards PER PLAY now days, with teams like Bama in 2020 and LSU in 2019 scoring so fast and so much, the defense, 24 points ahead, will be more tired ad give up a few more points. But its all relative.
If Mich. and Iowa each get off 50 plays and Bama vs. LSU each get off 75 its not the SAME THING. We must look at yards per play now-a-days.
You have to go by yards PER PLAY now days, with teams like Bama in 2020 and LSU in 2019 scoring so fast and so much, the defense, 24 points ahead, will be more tired ad give up a few more points. But its all relative.
If Mich. and Iowa each get off 50 plays and Bama vs. LSU each get off 75 its not the SAME THING. We must look at yards per play now-a-days.
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