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Loss was totally a team effort
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:06 am
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:06 am
The oline was a mess. The defense was confused and disoriented on crossing routs. The offensive coordinator waited till half time to make the necessary adjustments AND MIlroe was completely unaware of his hot routs.
Every sack Milroe took, there were open hot routs.
I'm no expert, but Bama is confused when recievers pass through various player zones. Bama plays man to man but then one guy is supposed to turn coverage over to another guy. And often the reciever is just lost when he is running horizontally across the defense.
It's a recurring problem
The offensive line was very poor in picking up the stunts. Poorly coached.
I went back and watched milroe on the sack plays. The hot routs, would look towards the qb within about a second after the snap... sometimes a te in a shallow crossing route, or a wide out running a shallow in or out route, Milroe apparently didn't know who the hot routs were.
He basically looks down field towards his primary, feels the blitz, drops his eyes and gets sacked.
I've said before and I will say again, he needed to focus on his hot routs first and get rid of the ball. They were open.
That has to be poor training. If your te is basically uncovered and runs a five yard in rout, throw the damn ball. You only have about a second and a half because there is always a free man coming.
Then you have Reese continuing to drop him back when both he and the oline were unable to cope.
So to me, we probably win if any of the following happens.
1. Decent snaps.
2. Quicker adjustments by Reese.
3. A defense that properly executed coverage of crossing routs.
4. Milroe being able to hit his hot routs quickly.
5. An offensive line that knew what it was doing.
You can't tell me that Milroe can't, through sheer repetition, learn how to get a 5 yard pass out quickly.
Basically Michigan knew all this going in and exploited these weaknesses.
It's really sad that we were so ill prepared.
Michigan really isn't very good.
It's like we drew up a game plan that just assumed milroe would have 3 or 4 seconds to throw.
Bet Washington. They will expose Michigan. They will score early and often.
Every sack Milroe took, there were open hot routs.
I'm no expert, but Bama is confused when recievers pass through various player zones. Bama plays man to man but then one guy is supposed to turn coverage over to another guy. And often the reciever is just lost when he is running horizontally across the defense.
It's a recurring problem
The offensive line was very poor in picking up the stunts. Poorly coached.
I went back and watched milroe on the sack plays. The hot routs, would look towards the qb within about a second after the snap... sometimes a te in a shallow crossing route, or a wide out running a shallow in or out route, Milroe apparently didn't know who the hot routs were.
He basically looks down field towards his primary, feels the blitz, drops his eyes and gets sacked.
I've said before and I will say again, he needed to focus on his hot routs first and get rid of the ball. They were open.
That has to be poor training. If your te is basically uncovered and runs a five yard in rout, throw the damn ball. You only have about a second and a half because there is always a free man coming.
Then you have Reese continuing to drop him back when both he and the oline were unable to cope.
So to me, we probably win if any of the following happens.
1. Decent snaps.
2. Quicker adjustments by Reese.
3. A defense that properly executed coverage of crossing routs.
4. Milroe being able to hit his hot routs quickly.
5. An offensive line that knew what it was doing.
You can't tell me that Milroe can't, through sheer repetition, learn how to get a 5 yard pass out quickly.
Basically Michigan knew all this going in and exploited these weaknesses.
It's really sad that we were so ill prepared.
Michigan really isn't very good.
It's like we drew up a game plan that just assumed milroe would have 3 or 4 seconds to throw.
Bet Washington. They will expose Michigan. They will score early and often.
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:09 am to RiverCityTider
The defense allowed 20 points in regulation vs the no.1 team in the country.
It was the offense.
It was the offense.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:15 am to PowHound
I'm referring to the difference between winning and losing. I'm not saying it wasn't a decent defensive effort. But take away a couple of blown coverages and we win despite all the offensive issues.
There wasn't a man on that field we could not cover. There was little separation. The coverages were blown.
There wasn't a man on that field we could not cover. There was little separation. The coverages were blown.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:23 am to RiverCityTider
I agree, this was as poor a coaching job as I've seen from a Saban coached team. They look ill prepared.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:21 am to BFANLC
I was surprised also that Michigan looked like the more physical, athletic team.
One thing can't be denied, Michigan put together a perfect gameplan on defense/offense and had a veteran team.
It still took Alabama playing it's 'C' game however, which still resulted in an OT loss
Felt like the first time "Coach Nick Saban with a month to prepare" didn't result in a team that was up to the challenge
One thing can't be denied, Michigan put together a perfect gameplan on defense/offense and had a veteran team.
It still took Alabama playing it's 'C' game however, which still resulted in an OT loss
Felt like the first time "Coach Nick Saban with a month to prepare" didn't result in a team that was up to the challenge
Posted on 1/6/24 at 6:17 am to BFANLC
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I agree, this was as poor a coaching job as I've seen from a Saban coached team. They look ill prepared.
About as bad as the 2018 NCG against Clemson. Yet somehow Bama was still in it til the last play.
It really boggles the mind how bad football is across the board now. Our '11, '12, '15, '16, '18, '20 squads would have completely dominated the last two seasons without question.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 6:55 am to RTRny2az
I don't think there was a game this year where Alabama played well for a full four quarters. Kentucky was about the closest we game to pitching a complete came on both sides of the ball, but we still derped around in the second quarter and allowed Kentucky to rack up points and yards.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 6:56 am
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:59 am to RiverCityTider
Routes.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:59 am to PowHound
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The defense allowed 20 points in regulation vs the no.1 team in the country.
It was the offense.
Inversely, I could say, Bama’s offense scored twice as many points against the #1 scoring defense in the country than they normally allow…
Truth is, it was both…the only part of the team blameless was special teams. I think the offense carries more of the burden in this game but the defense was not even close to blameless. On several key plays, they looked confused and gave up scores or first downs…and they needed just one stop at the end of regulation and Bama wins. Also, you keep harping on regulation but what did the D do in OT? On two running plays, they were gashed for 25 yards and what proved to be the winning TD; was that the offense’s fault as well? The D certainly wasn’t gassed…
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:04 am to OldPete
Stopping Michigan. particularly late and in OT, should NOT have been all that hard. Ignore the shifts, motion and BS, and make sure someone is all over Blake Corum.
No matter where Corum goes, he gets covered. Make someone else beat you, but he doesn't. They aren't good enough as a team. He is their Brock Bowers, you have to take him away.
Late in the game, they had 13 points. One last stop and we win, and as badly as we played, it would have been a convincing win.
No matter where Corum goes, he gets covered. Make someone else beat you, but he doesn't. They aren't good enough as a team. He is their Brock Bowers, you have to take him away.
Late in the game, they had 13 points. One last stop and we win, and as badly as we played, it would have been a convincing win.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:24 am to OldPete
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On several key plays, they looked confused and gave up scores or first downs
That's called football and it happens in every game at every level, and it's why the game is played.
Simply put the defense allowed 20 points in regulation, and if you want to win a title your offense has to score more than 20 points for the love of god the other two playoff teams put up 40 points, and we know for a damn fact that the Texas defense is good unit.
It was the OFFENSE AND ALL ITS LIMITATIONS DUE TO OC AND QB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:52 am to PowHound
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It was the OFFENSE AND ALL ITS LIMITATIONS DUE TO OC AND QB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol, we've heard how you feel on this topic in 45 threads. Typing in all caps doesn't make it right nor will it make folks "listen" to you any more.
If you're posting in frustration (which you maybe on this topic), ask your doctor about some Prozac.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:38 am to PowHound
Jim and his staff completely understood Bama has a QB with a low football IQ and they made him play left handed.
Took away the easy over the top TD's we thrown all year and made us go the distance. 19 running the kickoffs out to the 14 yardline didn't help us at all but Nick should have had that covered with taking the 25. We lose 10 yards each series on sacks thus each drive from the 25 is still 85 yards. Start at the 15 and our chances decrease even more.
Took away the easy over the top TD's we thrown all year and made us go the distance. 19 running the kickoffs out to the 14 yardline didn't help us at all but Nick should have had that covered with taking the 25. We lose 10 yards each series on sacks thus each drive from the 25 is still 85 yards. Start at the 15 and our chances decrease even more.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:17 pm to UASports23
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Typing in all caps doesn't make it right nor will it make folks "listen" to you any more.
Ok, after using lower case all season, and everyone whistling past the graveyard, I needed to sound off, BUT IF YOURE TELLING ME THE MESSAGE HAS BEEN RECEIVED THAT THE OC AND QB NEED TO MARK IT A ZERO !!!!!!!
THEN I WILL SWITCH BACK TO LOWER CASE STARTING right now.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:17 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
The kick returns hurt. I’m sure he was trying to make a play but Kitselman got blown up on the first and Hubbard on the second. Both right at the point of attack
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:21 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
I don't think you necessarily need a high IQ to gun a ball to a te wide open on a 5 yard out pattern.
I think that's poor coaching. I don't see much work on that in practice. I see the qbs spending long sessions throwing downfield to uncovered recievers. But I don't see alot of quick 1 second throws.
It's just hard for me to imagine after 2 years that a guy that can throw 30 or 40 yard dimes but cant do that.
He doesn't have to be Joe Montana to know when they are bringing it every play, that Job one is get the ball out right away.
I think that's poor coaching. I don't see much work on that in practice. I see the qbs spending long sessions throwing downfield to uncovered recievers. But I don't see alot of quick 1 second throws.
It's just hard for me to imagine after 2 years that a guy that can throw 30 or 40 yard dimes but cant do that.
He doesn't have to be Joe Montana to know when they are bringing it every play, that Job one is get the ball out right away.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:35 pm to RiverCityTider
We probably could have just pounding the ball on the ground and won the game
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:38 pm to PowHound
quote:No blame for the OL and snaps all season?
It was the OFFENSE AND ALL ITS LIMITATIONS DUE TO OC AND QB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a year where there isn’t another option behind the starting QB, it blows my mind that you see that Milroe would be very solid and good enough to win a NC if the OL wasn’t pure AIDS and the OC called better plays.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:45 pm to RiverCityTider
I think that Milroe decided who he was gonna throw to, sometimes, pre snap. But I’m not sure his decision was based off the defense but more that he thought it was time to go to that receiver.
For example, he threw consecutively to Burton in the fourth. The first should not have been thrown. cb was playing ten yards off and JM threw it to Burton on a fly route on the bear side of the field. He put it out of bounds and unbeatable but Burton was blanketed.
The next play, Burton ran a short, outside hook and Milroe hit him on the correct read, and we gained about seven. Correct read but I think he was going to Burton regardless.
I noticed this in the ADay game when he got Benson involved late. And it’s looked the same in several games this season.
Also, Sark is the last OC we had that has game planned for a single player with any success. We tried it. Like with Law this year.
I like Law a lot and think he can be a playmaker. But the shite we did with him this year was low risk low reward. Disappointing. Just system calls. No game planning.
Some you like to call it lack of imagination. I call it lazy.
For example, he threw consecutively to Burton in the fourth. The first should not have been thrown. cb was playing ten yards off and JM threw it to Burton on a fly route on the bear side of the field. He put it out of bounds and unbeatable but Burton was blanketed.
The next play, Burton ran a short, outside hook and Milroe hit him on the correct read, and we gained about seven. Correct read but I think he was going to Burton regardless.
I noticed this in the ADay game when he got Benson involved late. And it’s looked the same in several games this season.
Also, Sark is the last OC we had that has game planned for a single player with any success. We tried it. Like with Law this year.
I like Law a lot and think he can be a playmaker. But the shite we did with him this year was low risk low reward. Disappointing. Just system calls. No game planning.
Some you like to call it lack of imagination. I call it lazy.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:47 pm to ReauxlTide222
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if the OL wasn’t pure AIDS
Milroe held the ball longer than any QB. In. The. Entire. Country.
The OL wasnt that bad, even looked good at times.
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and the OC called better plays.
People thought Daboll was arse while he dealing with a much more talented version than milroe in Hurts.
But i damn sure not defending Rees because he is clearly awful, and is not in the same league as Daboll- literally
I think Rees would still be awful with a first round QB
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 12:49 pm
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