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Is there any hope that the offensive line will get better?
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:58 pm
The ultimate result of the Texas A&M game notwithstanding, the offensive line is still struggling. They couldn’t run the ball, had a ton of penalties and Milroe was sacked six times. That said, at other times they gave Milroe time to throw.
They have played six games now and still have significant issues. Is it time to give up hope that they will get much better than what they are now?
They have played six games now and still have significant issues. Is it time to give up hope that they will get much better than what they are now?
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 10:28 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Roberts has looked promising at guard. Pritchett was getting some snaps at LT last week.
I think there is some competition for positions still. So there is reason to believe things can get better. We have got to clean up the penalties but we have the bodies. Ferguson should be back soon too but im not sure where he will fit in.
I think there is some competition for positions still. So there is reason to believe things can get better. We have got to clean up the penalties but we have the bodies. Ferguson should be back soon too but im not sure where he will fit in.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 10:47 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
The OL has substantially improved since the start of the season. If you can't see that, you don't know football. The vast majority of the sack issues at TAMU were on Milroe or protections not being set correctly presnap. We also didn't run well because they were playing 5-6 guys on the LoS with 7+ in the box on virtually every down. Their game plan was to stop the run, put pressure on Milroe, and make him win with accurate short to intermediate throws - which he was able to do.
This isn't to say the OL is great. But to cast it as a potentially hopeless group is dumb. The only real alarming thing was the penalties. Some more work with silent count will hopefully clean that up.
This isn't to say the OL is great. But to cast it as a potentially hopeless group is dumb. The only real alarming thing was the penalties. Some more work with silent count will hopefully clean that up.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 11:16 pm to Crimson77
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The only real alarming thing was the penalties
That and Proctor against any sort of speed rush. He has been abused all year. Latham hasnt been great at identifying blitzes but at least he is crushing defenders in the run game. Seth looks like he is getting the snap issues fixed but i havent seen him getting to the second level like he did last year.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 12:10 am to Roll Tide Ravens
I don’t think it’s as bad as we think. Needs improvement yes. But Milroe has gotta help himself some too
Posted on 10/12/23 at 12:20 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Proctor against any sort of speed rush. He has been abused all year.
It's like you stopped watching after the USF game. Watch the LoS from last weekend instead of following the ball. Proctor is way improved at handling the edge rushers.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 12:33 am to Crimson77
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The OL has substantially improved since the start of the season
Nah
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 12:35 am
Posted on 10/12/23 at 5:42 am to Crimson77
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Crimson77
I’m not saying they haven’t improved at all, just wondering if they can improve enough to help us get to where we want this team to go.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:26 am to Crimson77
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Watch the LoS from last weekend instead of following the ball. Proctor is way improved at handling the edge rushers.
I have. Proctor wasnt wearing the cement cleats like early in the season but he is still getting beat often. Pritchett was in the game some with the ones last weekend. Not sure what the exact issue was, but Proctor continues to be a work in progress.
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 6:27 am
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:55 am to SECSolomonGrundy
I think they've improved SOME. However, IMO, they mostly look fat and slow. They look they all need to lose between 10-30 lbs apiece. I'm hoping CNS sh*t cans the S&C coach and brings in someone better. Not much they can do about the weight/quickness thing now.
As others have said, they can still improve by no more bone headed penalties. Teams are often sending 6-7 guys on passing downs and the more Milroe makes those teams pay for that, the more a lot of these "media experts" will be amazed at how improved the offensive line is.
Jalen has got to have that internal clock in his head pounding that he's got to either get rid of the ball or take off running. On some of the sacks given up, he's had plenty of time but held on to that ball too long. Frankly, if the line give him 4 seconds to get rid of the ball, they've done their job.
As others have said, they can still improve by no more bone headed penalties. Teams are often sending 6-7 guys on passing downs and the more Milroe makes those teams pay for that, the more a lot of these "media experts" will be amazed at how improved the offensive line is.
Jalen has got to have that internal clock in his head pounding that he's got to either get rid of the ball or take off running. On some of the sacks given up, he's had plenty of time but held on to that ball too long. Frankly, if the line give him 4 seconds to get rid of the ball, they've done their job.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:46 am to Amarillo Tide
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Jalen has got to have that internal clock in his head pounding that he's got to either get rid of the ball or take off running.
Pocket awareness is a problem - sometimes he doesn't see the clearest path and turns right into a sack. This isn't bashing him, but some guys (Bryce Young) have such a radar that it seems they have eyes in the back of their heads. That is rare... we've just come to expect it and Milroe doesn't have that (yet)
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:50 am to Amarillo Tide
There is truth on both sides of the argument here:
-Jalen is not making basic and obvious protection changes and it’s resulting in sacks because we don’t have enough people to block the pressure where it’s being applied
-The cadence issues are in part a byproduct of issues at center as well as the continual changes/injuries to our OL (Dalcourt -> Roberts, Proctor -> Pritchett, etc). A&M is also a very underrated and loud road venue, makes it tough for a raw OL to get on the same page.
-Proctor is a TF and is still learning, he would’ve been far better served with a year at RG but Pritchett wasn’t ready so he was thrown into the fire
-Teams are committing to taking away the run and we just played a top 5 run defense in the country which skews things a bit
-We had our first game without a snap issue and that’s (sadly) real progress
It’s much better than it was, but the penalties (some of which weren’t legit) have to be cleaned up.
Also keep in mind we wont play another elite defense until Auburn (#10 FEI), so we should see better rushing numbers moving forward.
-Jalen is not making basic and obvious protection changes and it’s resulting in sacks because we don’t have enough people to block the pressure where it’s being applied
-The cadence issues are in part a byproduct of issues at center as well as the continual changes/injuries to our OL (Dalcourt -> Roberts, Proctor -> Pritchett, etc). A&M is also a very underrated and loud road venue, makes it tough for a raw OL to get on the same page.
-Proctor is a TF and is still learning, he would’ve been far better served with a year at RG but Pritchett wasn’t ready so he was thrown into the fire
-Teams are committing to taking away the run and we just played a top 5 run defense in the country which skews things a bit
-We had our first game without a snap issue and that’s (sadly) real progress
It’s much better than it was, but the penalties (some of which weren’t legit) have to be cleaned up.
Also keep in mind we wont play another elite defense until Auburn (#10 FEI), so we should see better rushing numbers moving forward.
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 8:42 am
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:56 am to tide06
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-Jalen is not making basic and obvious protection changes and it’s resulting in sacks because we don’t have enough people to block the pressure where it’s being applied
I don't know if we have done this before with Jalen, but in the second half of the A&M game, there were a few times where Jalen looked to the sideline and then changed protections.
This was most evident on a play where we were in shotgun with the RB to Jalen's right. A blitzer on A&M started creeping up to the line outside of the LT. Before the snap, Jalen looked to the sideline, then moved the RB to his left and the RB took on the blitzer.
So it seems like maybe we're evolving to a place where the sideline is going to help Jalen make protection calls to avoid some of the free runners we've had in games?
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 8:02 am
Posted on 10/12/23 at 9:01 am to Sl0thstronautEsq
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it seems like maybe we're evolving to a place where the sideline is going to help Jalen make protection calls to avoid some of the free runners we've had in games?
Whatever works is good with me. But who is on the sideline making that call? Rees is in the booth, i guess he can radio it in, but that just takes so much extra time.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 9:05 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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But who is on the sideline making that call? Rees is in the booth, i guess he can radio it in, but that just takes so much extra time.
Yeah, it's certainly not ideal from a time perspective, but at least Rees and Joe Cox have a great view from the booth to make adjustments to protections
Posted on 10/12/23 at 9:36 am to Sl0thstronautEsq
In the old days, werent Barrett Jones and Ryan Kelly making those calls themselves? I have even seen teams where the guard is making calls at the line.
Our offensive players should be able to identify blitzes and call protections. It aint rocket science. The RBs have been around long enough that they should know where to be.
Its piss poor coaching if players who are in your program for 4 years dont know the ins and outs of everything you're doing.
Our offensive players should be able to identify blitzes and call protections. It aint rocket science. The RBs have been around long enough that they should know where to be.
Its piss poor coaching if players who are in your program for 4 years dont know the ins and outs of everything you're doing.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 9:55 am to Amarillo Tide
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Jalen has got to have that internal clock in his head pounding that he's got to either get rid of the ball or take off running. On some of the sacks given up, he's had plenty of time but held on to that ball too long.
I agree with this. It has been frustrating to watch him scramble behind the LOS and then either take a sack or run out of bounds instead of turning up field and getting what he can or throwing the ball away.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:00 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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It has been frustrating to watch him scramble behind the LOS and then either take a sack or run out of bounds
The frustrating part is we all know damn well that Saban and every coach is telling him to throw it away.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:58 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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In the old days, werent Barrett Jones and Ryan Kelly making those calls themselves?
There is definitely something missing from the old days in terms of the OL. After a few games to gel, those old OL's were imposing their will on the other team no matter what.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 12:25 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Yes, they have improved as the year has gone. I think you can expect they'll probably be pretty good at home, but on the road they've got a lot of work to do.
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