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How did Kirby start pulling 5 stars year two at UGA?
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:37 am
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:37 am
His class jumped to #2 his second year and really hasn’t fallen since. What is different that Brian Kelly is not doing at LSU other than NIL.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:40 am to LSUTIGERS8181
Georgia’s recruiting budget far exceeded every one else’s in the country
Kirby was always known as a standout recruiter under Saban, and obviously learned from Saban how to recruit
You combine that with a rich talent state and you have the makings of a recruiting monster
Kirby was always known as a standout recruiter under Saban, and obviously learned from Saban how to recruit
You combine that with a rich talent state and you have the makings of a recruiting monster
Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:34 am to MrWiseGuy
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Georgia’s recruiting budget far exceeded every one else’s in the country
This and the fact that Athens is very likely the best college town in the SEC.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 7:06 am to LSUTIGERS8181
He's a really good recruiter snd he wins.
Usually you see a bump in the first couple of classes with a new coach as there's excitement and anticipation with a new era. Kirby turned that into absolutely dominating the east and made Georgia cool.
Dude can recruit.
There's a reason why USC couldn't land a 5* in their own backyard for years and then Lincoln showed up and now they're dominating Southern California recruiting and reaching all over the country for 5*'s
Some dudes can close.
Usually you see a bump in the first couple of classes with a new coach as there's excitement and anticipation with a new era. Kirby turned that into absolutely dominating the east and made Georgia cool.
Dude can recruit.
There's a reason why USC couldn't land a 5* in their own backyard for years and then Lincoln showed up and now they're dominating Southern California recruiting and reaching all over the country for 5*'s
Some dudes can close.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 7:20 am to LSUTIGERS8181
Georgia was coming off back-to-back 10-win seasons when Kirby took over finishing 2nd in the east those two seasons and Kirby's first. LSU was 6-6 & 6-7 with a very depleted roster though they did overperform year 1 under Kelly.
Georgia and Florida produce a ton of talent, significantly more than Louisiana in terms of numbers, not per capita.
And maybe Kirby or his staff is just better than Kelly and his staff? Also, we can't really do a fair comparison now with accounting for relative NIL money available to players (not that I really could anyway).
Georgia and Florida produce a ton of talent, significantly more than Louisiana in terms of numbers, not per capita.
And maybe Kirby or his staff is just better than Kelly and his staff? Also, we can't really do a fair comparison now with accounting for relative NIL money available to players (not that I really could anyway).
Posted on 9/8/23 at 7:31 am to LSUTIGERS8181
They’re fans didn’t bitch or think they were too good to give $10-$100 to get recruits
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:46 am to LSUTIGERS8181
He knew Saban's way to pay players under the table.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:51 am to LSUTIGERS8181
Kirby is Saban jr. Guy knows tProcess.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:57 am to LSUTIGERS8181
Kirby is naturally a good recruiter and refined himself learning from the best recruiter in the country pre-NIL. He copied the system and brought it to a state that has more home-grown talent.
He also set the team culture to be the same as Bama's, so in year 2 he was already in the national title game and probably would've won if it weren't for Tua.
Now. The issue for Kelly is he is not naturally a recruiter and had minimal exposure to it at Notre Dame because the academic side recruited itself.
Now, he is hurting us in three ways:
1) He doesn't like to do NIL up front and seems to not push for talent that brings it up.
2) Before even getting to the NIL point, you have to build relationships with star recruits (relative to others). We failed there sadly because recruiters (outside of Frank) aren't prioritized by Kelly. Which leads to my final point.
3) If you don't have great recruiters, they better be geniuses from a scheming and coaching perspective (Aranda primarily, but Joe Brady's concepts were huge in 2019). We don't have anyone on our staff that I would define that way. House is average at best and his recruiting is trash (even Aranda closed on Jacob Phillips) and Denbrock is a scrub.
We just got beat by Florida and A&M for our top in state recruits and we honestly never could get momentum with either. Same last year when Texas got our top DB. None of these teams are good at coaching, but we're able to out hustle us for local recruits that we truly need. And before anyone says those guys wanted to leave the state, so did Jamarr Chase, John Emery, Kristian Fulton, and a lot more. You change their minds, I don't think anyone outside of Frank has that trait.
He also set the team culture to be the same as Bama's, so in year 2 he was already in the national title game and probably would've won if it weren't for Tua.
Now. The issue for Kelly is he is not naturally a recruiter and had minimal exposure to it at Notre Dame because the academic side recruited itself.
Now, he is hurting us in three ways:
1) He doesn't like to do NIL up front and seems to not push for talent that brings it up.
2) Before even getting to the NIL point, you have to build relationships with star recruits (relative to others). We failed there sadly because recruiters (outside of Frank) aren't prioritized by Kelly. Which leads to my final point.
3) If you don't have great recruiters, they better be geniuses from a scheming and coaching perspective (Aranda primarily, but Joe Brady's concepts were huge in 2019). We don't have anyone on our staff that I would define that way. House is average at best and his recruiting is trash (even Aranda closed on Jacob Phillips) and Denbrock is a scrub.
We just got beat by Florida and A&M for our top in state recruits and we honestly never could get momentum with either. Same last year when Texas got our top DB. None of these teams are good at coaching, but we're able to out hustle us for local recruits that we truly need. And before anyone says those guys wanted to leave the state, so did Jamarr Chase, John Emery, Kristian Fulton, and a lot more. You change their minds, I don't think anyone outside of Frank has that trait.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:13 am to LSUTIGERS8181
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Posted on 9/8/23 at 10:15 am to kyle87DS
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The issue for Kelly is he is not naturally a recruiter and had minimal exposure to it at Notre Dame because the academic side recruited itself.
I'm not gonna sit here and try to convince anyone Kelly is as good or better than Smart at recruiting, but I have no clue what this is supposed to mean. You think because academic standards were higher at ND it made it EASIER for Kelly to get top 10 classes there?
Could you clarify how higher admission standards allowed Kelly to put recruiting on cruise control and not get any "exposure" to it while at ND?
Posted on 9/8/23 at 10:27 am to kyle87DS
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1) He doesn't like to do NIL up front and seems to not push for talent that brings it up.
So Colin Simmons and Des ricks didn't bring this up?
Posted on 9/8/23 at 10:27 am to LSUTIGERS8181
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His class jumped to #2 his second year and really hasn’t fallen since. What is different that Brian Kelly is not doing at LSU other than NIL.
He had relationships with a lot of them from Bama recruiting. He even took a picture of Bama's recruiting board to show recruits that were lower to gain favor.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 11:19 am to LSUTIGERS8181
UGA never really had trouble getting 5 stars, Kirby just took it to another level
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:34 pm to LSUTIGERS8181
UGA has always recruited well. Kirby has taken it to another level.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:36 pm to LSUTIGERS8181
Athens is a nice/great college town.
Baton Rouge is a $hithole
Baton Rouge is a $hithole
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